Name: Joe Rogan Experience #1992 - Oliver Stone
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #1992 - Oliver Stone' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2023-05-30. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #1992 - Oliver Stone

Yeah, I have been fascinated by this subject for a long time and I'm very very
happy that you made this documentary and it's a very good documentary by the
way.
Thank you for making it and thank you for highlighting this very very important
issue that seems to have been
really confused and I'm really glad how you covered it in this documentary
about Three Mile Island and Chernobyl and Fukushima we have these ideas in our
mind about the dangers of nuclear power and I love the analogy that you made in
the film about how driving a car is not scary but it's dangerous flying in a
plane feels scary but it's far safer yeah and this is a great analogy
to nuclear power when you went over the the data when you talked about the
amount of deaths from coal every year when you talk about the amount of deaths
overall ever from nuclear it's it's stunning it is it's stunning and then when
you cut to in the documentary you showed the anti-nuclear movement that
happened after Three Mile Island yeah and how crazy it was it's all these stars
and celebrities and they're doing concerts we've got to stop nuclear power and
what a mess that happens when a fad I mean it becomes fashionable yeah it was
very successful movement you're talking about the negatives here and the
accidents and
that we cover all that in the film which is called nuclear now and the idea
that was behind it was because I really was like you I mean I went along with
those things in the 70s and the 80s because I didn't know better I didn't I
wasn't educated I really wanted to know what is nuclear power I wanted to go
back to the source and
and you've got to go back to the beginning and you've got to go back to Marie
Curie and Albert Einstein and World War II and all how it got developed this
nuclear energy is a beautiful incredible almost a miracle that was given to us
we have an earth it's all it's in the earth uranium it's everywhere the planet
the earth the sun
and we in a sense we took it like Prometheus and we kind of misinterpreted it
misused it which is not which is kind of normal for given that what we do with
natural
natural things World War II was happening just as the nuclear fission was being
understood and that made the bomb they made the bomb with it because there was
a war on they rushed it and they did it they did an amazing job up and I'm
around down the in Los Alamos but and they got it and they were successful
but as you know it was misunderstood at that point that nuclear energy was not
nuclear bomb in the contrary it was a bomb is very difficult to build and it
takes a lot it takes years sometimes it takes scientists and they have to
enrich the plutonium and they have to work at it
there's all configurations in the bomb that don't exist in nuclear energy so
when people see a nuclear energy plant they
subconsciously they cross it with both war and they cross it with horror films
that they've seen in the 1950s with radioactivity and monsters that come out of
that
you know spider spider bites the man and you become spider-man you know Hulk
yeah it's incredible the stuff that happens and it's all and it's Hollywood has
done no favors to it it's continued for years and years and years and years and
then
of course you had Three Mile Island the film was coming out at the same time
China Syndrome and with Jane Fonda it was a good film I enjoyed it we all
enjoyed it but
it really was hysterical and alarmist saying and nothing happened at Three Mile
Island except the reactor did melt down but nobody got hurt because the
containment structure worked to keep it in to keep it in so there was no
release of radiation
and uh they continued on Silkwood was another one and then if you remember uh
not too long ago there was the HBO thing Chernobyl
yeah which was a complete fictionalization of what happened at Chernobyl so we
went to Russia and we talked to the scientists there and we wanted to know what
happened at Chernobyl and we find out and it's in the film
and the same thing is true for Fukushima which is unbelievable because I when
you go to the bottom of it it's I was astounded
to find out that nobody died there from radiation not one Japanese they checked
the whole thing out and it's been done to death
but you hear about 15 20 000 people died from the tsunami and the earthquake
which was the biggest earthquake Japan ever had
I mean really we show the earthquake we show the tsunami the wave was a hundred
feet tall there was a badly built wall the wall was not a seawall that was
could hold and the generators were flooded beneath the water and
and these are these were also not state of the art um that's right it's like
what what they can do now in terms of these power plants
no the uh everything gets better I mean yeah but even those those uh nuclear
reactors built 60 70 years ago are still functioning their legacy reactors
they do work yeah and we mustn't dismiss them yeah it gets better than
technology gets better like as in any business you
you and there's another generation and it's better but hopefully better but uh
the point was that they could avoid what happened in Fukushima today
oh Fukushima was if you if you look at the case closely Japan had built uh 20
some reactors at that point and
this one is the only one the others were exposed to the same earthquake and the
same kind of
tsunami several of them were on that same coastline but this particular one
this uh plant
was uh was uh was the only one that was shaken up and even then all the
radiation that was released
there was a hydrogen explosion all the explode that radiation released in the
air you heard about it
it was supposed to be another terrible well they we have shots in the film
showing they're taking tests on
all the japanese citizens and nobody can you know it's low level what they call
low level radiation which is
we can sustain it we have our we have dna in our body that fixes repairs our
body as each day goes by
we uh but it's also you point out very well in the film that there's a lot of
radiation that you don't
even take into consideration that you encounter constantly we have this idea of
radiation as being a net
negative it's a terrible thing but it's just a thing you get it from being
outside you get it from rocks you
get it from all sorts of things there's radiation in this room it's it's it's
uh you get radiation from
eating a banana i think what you said is so it's so true that films and um and
comic books and
are fictions of radiation that's part of the problem yeah that started early it's
a giant problem because
comic books and all that it plays to the worst aspects of human nature which is
we just love to
get terrified about headlines so we don't read into the devil of the details
exactly that's what was
confusing to me and i really you know we're miseducated uh and there is still a
bias against nuclear
if you mention it to anybody yeah it's scary instantly and it's yeah but the
the point is
we can live with it and we have to because we're facing armaged we're facing a
very difficult situation
a cliff that we're going to go over and it seems that no one's really getting
it so that's why i felt
like the film i wanted to know i need to educate myself so in doing the film i
think i was able to
bring out these things you talk about what is wrong with nuclear energy it can
work it is a
miracle we should use it and we should use it abundantly the chinese have and
the russians
are way ahead of us they've built this they built it and they built it with
government backing not
like the us where we kind of back it but we don't really back it so as a result
well china's really
cutting out now because they have about 70 reactors uh approximately 70
reactors yeah about 74 i think
anyway they're building and i've heard uh i can't uh i don't remember the
source but i did hear that
they're putting another 140 billion dollars into this thing which means that
they're going to build 150
some reactors over the next uh by 2038 that is a serious investment serious
investment wow that's a
serious investment that would take a long time for us to catch up to oh it's
not about competing it's
right but if we wanted to do what they're doing right now well we have even if
it's not competing just
to do just uh be current yeah so they're the leader right now in it well no uh
we're the biggest
country in the world we still have 90 some reactors online so china's climate
goals hinge on a 440
billion dollar nuclear build out that's interesting so we have we still have
more even with all the
negative stereotypes about nuclear reactors planning at least 150 new reactors
in the next 15 years
50 yeah more than the rest of the world has built in the past 35 that's wow
that's i'm surprised you
remember no it just says it right there the article oh jimmy just had it pulled
up china uh has wow you
got a system worked out yeah jamie's the wizard look at him over there he's the
best he doesn't know what
this film is about even this uh this uh article that you just pulled up jamie
this is from uh bloomberg jesus christ
yeah well you see you got the source right away yeah and this is from 2021 um
it's this this whole
thing it's it is exactly how you lay it out in the film it's almost like we
have to cure
ourselves of these misconceptions and if we don't we're screwed china's
building man they don't
around now they have a lot of coal they still they're still building coal
plants because they have
a huge demand and they have to get off the coal that is crucial because they
are completely
contaminating the atmosphere as well the more nuclear they build the better it
will be the
contamination from coal is terrifying we showed a um a documentary that had
been done do you remember
the documentary no but i remember it was it was a documentary it was all about
uh one of the things
that was highlighting is all the people that live around these plants yeah and
the air quality they
suffer it's insane their cars are covered with like a thin film yeah of you
know all the particulates in
the in the atmosphere that's correct it's horrible they estimate from air
pollution alone i've read
figures of four million deaths a year it's just so many you need so many cases
of you know respiratory
illnesses and it's horrible i want to say four million a year from air
pollution but one million at least
from coal a year that's what i've seen but there could be more coal in the so
it's and who knows
what the the health negatives are on top of that like how many people are
suffering with illnesses and
ailments because of those particles especially around those reactors or the
plants rather it's horrible
well we still have coal in the u.s yeah no this was in the u.s this was in indiana
correct
oh yeah no they have coal everywhere i mean president trump said uh trump digs
coal i dig coal
he said clean coal once was just like what the fuck are you saying the are you
saying
cleaner than what the uh other lighting tires now the other uh truth that we
miss
is gas now we know how ugly the oil thing is i mean there's the waste and all
the oil
and this fossil fuel itself is destroying the universe because we're putting
carbon into the atmosphere co2
but uh gas is considered they're using gas everywhere uh even it seems like a
modern thing they say well
renewables which is solar and uh wind those are we're all for that i want wind
we want solar but they
don't work all the time they run out in the winter at night is it also a
problem with battery technology
when it comes well that's part of it too but the point is when they run out
what they need is gas
it's back up it's back up you see nuclear doesn't need storage and it doesn't
need backup what's the
beauty of it it's a real clean energy and the gas does i mean uh renewables do
need backup and that
backup is gas so it's not a hundred percent like the one one of the issues is
about storage the waste yeah
and when you talked about just the the size of the amount of stora