Name: Joe Speaks to Former CIA Officer Mike Baker About UFO Whistleblower's Claims
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Speaks to Former CIA Officer Mike Baker About UFO Whistleblower's Claims' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2023-08-16. Transcript available.

the Joe Rogan experience with Grush I think here's my take on it I think he
believes what he's saying right I think he has gone out there I think I'm legit
like he was a whatever 14 year veteran of military and the National
Reconnaissance Office and and I think he went out and he talked to enough
people
and he he believes it I don't think he's out there like spinning the yarn and
is
worried that now he's gotten over his skis and he said you know too many things
and now he's but I don't I don't know I don't I don't feel like it's tidy and
maybe the difference between us is I spent you know a lot of time with the
government and the government is is his sometimes can be really really
dysfunctional and I just it goes back to keeping a secret the idea that they
could have this this what essentially is a covert action campaign you know to
spread
this information about what they actually know right when the easier thing to
do is
is just to have the program you know if if again if it's it's the US government's
you
know development of technology right and when we're doing this to have the
program
and just keep your app shut about it not go for disinformation campaign not try
to
muddy the waters by doing this because in a sense you're just creating more
conversation around it you're creating you know now there's a little bit of a
you
know movement within Congress to say we have to do this now we have to so
they're going to look perhaps for a misappropriation of funds right because
they're not going to pursue like the UAP issue necessarily right but but they
might be interested in pursuing misappropriation of funds so if you're
running a program if it if it didn't again going back to the idea that it's a
US government thing if you're running a program that's the last thing you want
to
do is because you've you're doing this program to avoid government oversight
you're
not going to create you know this alternative narrative that you know could
generate the sort of publicity or the conversation particularly up on Capitol
Hill that
causes them to then start looking and saying where is money being spent right
right because there is a trail there and that could cause a problem so yeah
what
it so what are your instincts when you look at it if I'm I'm looking at I'm
saying something's wrong it seems like bullshit wouldn't what are your
instincts
yeah I think I would like to you know I don't think we're gonna get there my
instinct is to say how do we solve the how do we solve this or how do we how do
we
come to some sort of logical resolution as opposed to saying what is it right
off
the bat my instinct is to say all right if the all domain anomalous or anomaly
resolution office has 800 cases then tell us what those 800 cases are let's
work our
way through them or have a little bit more transparency about working through
those cases again you'll probably whittle them down right to I mean we were
doing black files
we were going around talking to people about you know various sightings and
things you're
basically just crossing things off okay that was this that was this this you
know you find some
pretty mundane answers you know but you whittle it down to maybe one or two
things that you
can't explain and then you can investigate those and say okay all right let's
let's dig
further on these but right now it's just like all over the map and they've got
so many cases and they just kind of lump it all together
um are they doing that to obfuscate and create you know this this this this
situation where it does seem
like bullshit and and I again I I don't know but I think um I'm not willing to
shut the door on saying
that that those handful of those few sightings that where we do have technical
data we got video we got
you know radar lock we got we got gun camera footage whatever it may be that
can't be explained
I'm not willing to close the door and saying well it's you know you know is
because who knows maybe
China's doing the same thing you know oh we're leading the hypersonic race
right now great but
they've got another program you know and they were responsible for the tic-tac
right so we we have to
pursue it and if that leads us to the doorstep that says oh that's a U.S.
government program and they've
developed the technology okay you know fine but you know I realize that you
know I just I'm not willing to
close the door and say it could be something else could be otherworldly right
because I just yeah it
could be I could be I just there there is knows that problem yeah the infinite
nature of space which
seems to actually be getting bigger yeah there was a good way of putting it
that that uh uh my wife
who's uh a hell of a lot smarter than I am um tried to explain it to me and I
kept looking at it like this
and but she had heard a she'd heard a program at one point where the the person
explained it like okay
imagine how vast the ocean is right and you know how you we've explored the
ocean but then you look at
space and how immense it is right compared to the ocean right right the amount
that we've explored in
space right is equivalent to like a wine glass full of ocean water right so you
take a wine glass full of ocean
water you look at it you go ah there's nothing there right you know there's all
those life forms
there's all that all those fish in the sea it's kind of like that and then you
know you think about
space and you think about what we know and what we don't know and how we
imagine like our limited
capacity to imagine what life outside of earth could look like right so it yeah
but when you hear talk
of like crashed retrieval programs
yeah that that keeps taking me back and is you know to this this whole idea of
um if there was a crash retrieval and reverse engineering program like david gresh
talked about
and had been in existence for decades um
somebody would have fucking opened their yap
and talked about it i think other than bob lazar other than bob lazar and they
would have had
some better specifics right i mean that's always the thing that's it's always
where it falls down
well i haven't seen it but i talked to somebody who knows that it exists right
and i think maybe it's because we're human we're programmed to actually want
physical evidence
yeah right we want to actually see it before we believe it um but you know that
that really hasn't
happened yet what's one of the things that's fascinating is the narrative has
shifted so wildly from
it's completely preposterous to credible people like david fravor and ryan
graves and all these
different people that are talking about multiple sightings things that
completely defy our understanding
of what a vehicle is capable of doing hovering completely motionless in 120
knot winds
all the the whole you know whatever that thing is the the cube inside a sphere
that they keep seeing
over and over again right almost hit one of the aircraft yeah and what the fuck
is that yeah and
then they land so i think you know one of the good developments out of all of
this and one of the
things that may eventually lead to transparency right because it will it will
provide an avenue for
these sightings whether it's commercial or military pilots as an example to
report it right and to be
more and and for the government to take perhaps you know again it depends on
whether it's a big
conspiracy or not to um to investigate in a more logical manner and in a more
detailed manner so i i
think just again the sheer act that we're talking about it which then takes me
back to the idea that
you know if you're running a secret program you don't want people talking about
it so you're not
going to muddy the waters with a false narrative if you don't have to right you
know if your concern is
someone's getting close to the truth and you got to do okay then maybe so but
um you know do you
think it's also possible that there are patriots that do think that the
american public deserves to
know about this information and they have been sitting on it for a long time
the people like david grush and all these various people that are coming out
and more apparently
are wanting to come out yeah well interesting thing with grush is look he said
so during the
hearing right he said i can't talk about that i could talk about it in the skiff
right yeah in a
sensitive and uh secure uh environment all right well if i'm you know one of
the people on on that subcommittee i'm gonna say you know what to my staff
schedule uh you know a skiff meeting with grush get him in here and let's you
know have him talk
into classified shit right um so that would be the next logical step in all of
this have they done
that yet i i don't know i mean it's you know when he said i could talk to you
about it in a skiff
is have people taken him up on that well i'd i'd you know you'd have to ask him
no i wouldn't right
and they wouldn't tell him and they wouldn't and they wouldn't tell him and
they're therein lies
part of the problem because if he sits there and but if he sits in the skiff
and and continues to kind of say
well like you know okay i know you guys aren't clear to hear this and i can't
talk
all right then you got to start questioning you know what he's actually got or
what he what he knows
for sure rather than just having this this you know witness interviews and sort
of secondhand information
but i am i'm much more i guess the point is i'm much more interested in the
direct sightings
than uh witness interviews right right and the thing about him is he's not
really a witness
right he hasn't had any personal encounters with anything right he hasn't had
personal encounter
with a craft he hasn't seen a retrieved craft he hasn't seen the biological
entities these are all
just programs that he's been made aware of that he felt like people needed to
know about
yeah and that's the narrative and again not to disparage anybody right i mean
look he's you know
if in fact uh you know uh somebody leaked his medical records which it looks
like you know did happen
right then that's that you know that's that's pretty right somebody needs to
and figure out what the
hell is happening yes the information from grush who said he was unable to
discuss specifics on what he
told the pentagon's watchdog arm lawmakers want to sit down with the former
official in a sensitive
compartmented information facility a skiff to get additional information from
him the group has been
blocked however by officials that have informed them that grush doesn't
currently have security
clearance to discuss the issues in a skiff according to burchett we think that
we'll get there
eventually it's just frustrating i'm ready to go and the american public are
ready to go he said luna
argued that the skiff with grush could help lawmakers better understand the
type of legislation they need
to write regarding uaps she said she supports legislation that would declassify
information on
the phenomenon so there seems to be some issue of secrecy and what what's
possible to discuss or
what's legal to discuss well but yeah look the government casts a very wide net
when you're talking
about classified information right the government has over classified
information for decades and decades
right and you've got secret top secret code word you know um and you know they
they tend to just
hoover everything up and classify it right and and then it takes forever right
to go through that
process of declassification and and because nobody wants to put their neck out
at that point and say
yeah let's declassify this right once it's once it's in that pot um so but the
question is great you know
you're saying you know you can talk about in the skiff well damn it then that's
the next that that's
what the subcommittee should be doing that's their job right if they're curious
right and
if they're sincere about trying to get to the bottom of this and that's
theoretically their job
then they should because again going back to the main thing and people can say
well why are you
wasting your time on this but you can always circle back to the top line which
is it's for national
security purposes we want to know what the hell's going on right and and you
know if so
yeah we'll see i guess that's the that's the question that should be thrown at
grush or should
be thrown at the subcommittee members i'm also shocked at how few people care i
feel like people
are so overloaded with information today because of social media and because of
the news cycle you're
just people are so overloaded with information that this barely registered on
people other than ufo nuts
yeah yeah i mean there was a there was a surprising amount i thought anyway of
of sort of mainstream
media coverage it wasn't particularly uh deep right it just kind of covered
okay it was a hearing
and i think they did it because look it's ufos or uaps right and so you know
they knew they'd get
some clicks on it if they were putting it online or whatever and and um they
didn't pursue it you
know like has been any i haven't seen any stories that talked about the follow-up
right with grush um
there were a couple of stories talking about the you know the fact that perhaps
his medical records
were leaked you know as a result and the medical records showed what that he
had some sort of a
psychiatric condition um that he had an event or something like that ptsd i
think he you know some
suicidal depression issues standard stuff with military veterans yeah yeah yeah
yeah he had been he had
done his time in afghanistan right and so um that doesn't yeah it means nothing
and except for the
fact that it shouldn't be out there right those records should be damn well
private well not only
that isn't that what we want why don't you shut your little dinger off there
fella is that is that
me going to you yeah that's why your phone rang what the hell yeah gotta learn
how to use that little
switch on the side um thank you for my i.t lesson isn't that what you want from
i mean that's the whole
purpose of providing these services for veterans that when they do have
suicidal suicidal suicidal
thoughts and they are struggling with ptsd that they get help i mean the the
idea that they're
shaming him and saying that his report is not credible because of this seems
ridiculous yeah it's totally
bullshit yeah and and and he said he he's come out since he said look i did
seek help i you know i'm
in a better place um and he was happy that people were talking about they
should be talking about yeah look
it's we we lose a shocking number of veterans to suicide right and it's
disgusting that we don't
you know that the government doesn't work harder at this right right and spend
more effort you know
i know a couple of people who do amazingly good work at the va in terms of
counselors right they're not
managers they're not executives they work with the veterans every day right and
it's incredible what
they do but overall as a government our our assistance right to veterans um i
mean look at the number of
homeless situations it's it's it's pathetic and so when he talks about it um it's
it's good that he's
talking about it right i think that that transparency helps and and he clearly
views it that way too and
he said look i don't have any problem with with discussing it but we should be
concerned by the fact that you know
somehow his medical records were were put out there and then you know some
people will look at that and
go well is that the government's effort to discredit him you know or is that or
or is that somebody's
effort to discredit him um i don't know why anybody else would why would you do
that

Joe Speaks to Former CIA Officer Mike Baker About UFO Whistleblower's Claims

the Joe Rogan experience with Grush I think here's my take on it I think he
believes what he's saying right I think he has gone out there I think I'm legit
like he was a whatever 14 year veteran of military and the National
Reconnaissance Office and and I think he went out and he talked to enough
people
and he he believes it I don't think he's out there like spinning the yarn and
is
worried that now he's gotten over his skis and he said you know too many things
and now he's but I don't I don't know I don't I don't feel like it's tidy and
maybe the difference between us is I spent you know a lot of time with the
government and the government is is his sometimes can be really really
dysfunctional and I just it goes back to keeping a secret the idea that they
could have this this what essentially is a covert action campaign you know to
spread
this information about what they actually know right when the easier thing to
do is
is just to have the program you know if if again if it's it's the US government's
you
know development of technology right and when we're doing this to have the
program
and just keep your app shut about it not go for disinformation campaign not try
to
muddy the waters by doing this because in a sense you're just creating more
conversation around it you're creating you know now there's a little bit of a
you
know movement within Congress to say we have to do this now we have to so
they're going to look perhaps for a misappropriation of funds right because
they're not going to pursue like the UAP issue necessarily right but but they
might be interested in pursuing misappropriation of funds so if you're
running a program if it if it didn't again going back to the idea that it's a
US government thing if you're running a program that's the last thing you want
to
do is because you've you're doing this program to avoid government oversight
you're
not going to create you know this alternative narrative that you know could
generate the sort of publicity or the conversation particularly up on Capitol
Hill that
causes them to then start looking and saying where is money being spent right
right because there is a trail there and that could cause a problem so yeah
what
it so what are your instincts when you look at it if I'm I'm looking at I'm
saying something's wrong it seems like bullshit wouldn't what are your
instincts
yeah I think I would like to you know I don't think we're gonna get there my
instinct is to say how do we solve the how do we solve this or how do we how do
we
come to some sort of logical resolution as opposed to saying what is it right
off
the bat my instinct is to say all right if the all domain anomalous or anomaly
resolution office has 800 cases then tell us what those 800 cases are let's
work our
way through them or have a little bit more transparency about working through
those cases again you'll probably whittle them down right to I mean we were
doing black files
we were going around talking to people about you know various sightings and
things you're
basically just crossing things off okay that was this that was this this you
know you find some
pretty mundane answers you know but you whittle it down to maybe one or two
things that you
can't explain and then you can investigate those and say okay all right let's
let's dig
further on these but right now it's just like all over the map and they've got
so many cases and they just kind of lump it all together
um are they doing that to obfuscate and create you know this this this this
situation where it does seem
like bullshit and and I again I I don't know but I think um I'm not willing to
shut the door on saying
that that those handful of those few sightings that where we do have technical
data we got video we got
you know radar lock we got we got gun camera footage whatever it may be that
can't be explained
I'm not willing to close the door and saying well it's you know you know is
because who knows maybe
China's doing the same thing you know oh we're leading the hypersonic race
right now great but
they've got another program you know and they were responsible for the tic-tac
right so we we have to
pursue it and if that leads us to the doorstep that says oh that's a U.S.
government program and they've
developed the technology okay you know fine but you know I realize that you
know I just I'm not willing to
close the door and say it could be something else could be otherworldly right
because I just yeah it
could be I could be I just there there is knows that problem yeah the infinite
nature of space which
seems to actually be getting bigger yeah there was a good way of putting it
that that uh uh my wife
who's uh a hell of a lot smarter than I am um tried to explain it to me and I
kept looking at it like this
and but she had heard a she'd heard a program at one point where the the person
explained it like okay
imagine how vast the ocean is right and you know how you we've explored the
ocean but then you look at
space and how immense it is right compared to the ocean right right the amount
that we've explored in
space right is equivalent to like a wine glass full of ocean water right so you
take a wine glass full of ocean
water you look at it you go ah there's nothing there right you know there's all
those life forms
there's all that all those fish in the sea it's kind of like that and then you
know you think about
space and you think about what we know and what we don't know and how we
imagine like our limited
capacity to imagine what life outside of earth could look like right so it yeah
but when you hear talk
of like crashed retrieval programs
yeah that that keeps taking me back and is you know to this this whole idea of
um if there was a crash retrieval and reverse engineering program like david gresh
talked about
and had been in existence for decades um
somebody would have fucking opened their yap
and talked about it i think other than bob lazar other than bob lazar and they
would have had
some better specifics right i mean that's always the thing that's it's always
where it falls down
well i haven't seen it but i talked to somebody who knows that it exists right
and i think maybe it's because we're human we're programmed to actually want
physical evidence
yeah right we want to actually see it before we believe it um but you know that
that really hasn't
happened yet what's one of the things that's fascinating is the narrative has
shifted so wildly from
it's completely preposterous to credible people like david fravor and ryan
graves and all these
different people that are talking about multiple sightings things that
completely defy our understanding
of what a vehicle is capable of doing hovering completely motionless in 120
knot winds
all the the whole you know whatever that thing is the the cube inside a sphere
that they keep seeing
over and over again right almost hit one of the aircraft yeah and what the fuck
is that yeah and
then they land so i think you know one of the good developments out of all of
this and one of the
things that may eventually lead to transparency right because it will it will
provide an avenue for
these sightings whether it's commercial or military pilots as an example to
report it right and to be
more and and for the government to take perhaps you know again it depends on
whether it's a big
conspiracy or not to um to investigate in a more logical manner and in a more
detailed manner so i i
think just again the sheer act that we're talking about it which then takes me
back to the idea that
you know if you're running a secret program you don't want people talking about
it so you're not
going to muddy the waters with a false narrative if you don't have to right you
know if your concern is
someone's getting close to the truth and you got to do okay then maybe so but
um you know do you
think it's also possible that there are patriots that do think that the
american public deserves to
know about this information and they have been sitting on it for a long time
the people like david grush and all these various people that are coming out
and more apparently
are wanting to come out yeah well interesting thing with grush is look he said
so during the
hearing right he said i can't talk about that i could talk about it in the skiff
right yeah in a
sensitive and uh secure uh environment all right well if i'm you know one of
the people on on that subcommittee i'm gonna say you know what to my staff
schedule uh you know a skiff meeting with grush get him in here and let's you
know have him talk
into classified shit right um so that would be the next logical step in all of
this have they done
that yet i i don't know i mean it's you know when he said i could talk to you
about it in a skiff
is have people taken him up on that well i'd i'd you know you'd have to ask him
no i wouldn't right
and they wouldn't tell him and they wouldn't and they wouldn't tell him and
they're therein lies
part of the problem because if he sits there and but if he sits in the skiff
and and continues to kind of say
well like you know okay i know you guys aren't clear to hear this and i can't
talk
all right then you got to start questioning you know what he's actually got or
what he what he knows
for sure rather than just having this this you know witness interviews and sort
of secondhand information
but i am i'm much more i guess the point is i'm much more interested in the
direct sightings
than uh witness interviews right right and the thing about him is he's not
really a witness
right he hasn't had any personal encounters with anything right he hasn't had
personal encounter
with a craft he hasn't seen a retrieved craft he hasn't seen the biological
entities these are all
just programs that he's been made aware of that he felt like people needed to
know about
yeah and that's the narrative and again not to disparage anybody right i mean
look he's you know
if in fact uh you know uh somebody leaked his medical records which it looks
like you know did happen
right then that's that you know that's that's pretty right somebody needs to
and figure out what the
hell is happening yes the information from grush who said he was unable to
discuss specifics on what he
told the pentagon's watchdog arm lawmakers want to sit down with the former
official in a sensitive
compartmented information facility a skiff to get additional information from
him the group has been
blocked however by officials that have informed them that grush doesn't
currently have security
clearance to discuss the issues in a skiff according to burchett we think that
we'll get there
eventually it's just frustrating i'm ready to go and the american public are
ready to go he said luna
argued that the skiff with grush could help lawmakers better understand the
type of legislation they need
to write regarding uaps she said she supports legislation that would declassify
information on
the phenomenon so there seems to be some issue of secrecy and what what's
possible to discuss or
what's legal to discuss well but yeah look the government casts a very wide net
when you're talking
about classified information right the government has over classified
information for decades and decades
right and you've got secret top secret code word you know um and you know they
they tend to just
hoover everything up and classify it right and and then it takes forever right
to go through that
process of declassification and and because nobody wants to put their neck out
at that point and say
yeah let's declassify this right once it's once it's in that pot um so but the
question is great you know
you're saying you know you can talk about in the skiff well damn it then that's
the next that that's
what the subcommittee should be doing that's their job right if they're curious
right and
if they're sincere about trying to get to the bottom of this and that's
theoretically their job
then they should because again going back to the main thing and people can say
well why are you