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Joe Rogan Experience #2065 - David Grusch

Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
What's up?
How are you, man?
Hey, good.
Good.
Thanks for coming here.
Appreciate it.
Yeah, no, it's a pleasure.
You've been on a whirlwind sort of tour.
I guess we should start from the beginning.
Yeah.
So, first of all, lay out to people what your job was with the military and how
this
all started for you.
Yeah, yeah.
So, I was an intel officer in the Air Force for 14 years, seven active, seven
reserve.
Then I kind of had like a parallel track in the civilian intel world when I
became a reservist.
And ultimately, I got brought back in in civil service in a government way at
the National
Geospatial Intelligence Agency a couple years ago at a senior level.
So, I was a major in the Air Force and a GS-15 at NGA, which is like a Fulbert
Colonel equivalent
civilian employee.
You know, I'm very humbled that I was able to kind of get that kind of job.
But my career mostly, I didn't even really think about this topic.
UFOs were not on my radar.
I wasn't really a believer.
I was agnostic about it.
Most of my career, I did a lot of behind-the-door special access program,
technical type activities.
I was kind of a space intelligence expert, a cyber intel expert.
And like I said, this was not on my radar at all.
You know, I would joke with my buddies because I used to handle the
presidential daily brief
for the National Reconnaissance Office director in my military capacity as a
reservist.
And I was well clear to hundreds and hundreds of compartmented programs.
And, you know, the joke was like, when are we going to get the read on for the
crazy shit?
And that never happened.
And I do remember the day that I really can remember that I was like, huh, what's
with
this UFO stuff?
I was briefing a senior person at the CIA into a couple hundred special access
programs.
So I was at the headquarters at the agency.
And, you know, after the indoctrination I was giving to the senior person, this
person
who worked with Lou Elizondo previously was like, yeah, Dave, have you ever
heard of this
guy, Lou Elizondo?
He's running some UFO program at the Pentagon.
We all think he's crazy.
And I'm like, I don't know who this guy Lou Elizondo is.
And I don't know of any kind of UFO program.
So that sounds nuts to me.
But lo and behold, and that was like early 2017.
And lo and behold, in December 2017, that New York Times article came up with
that named
the AATIP program and the OSAP program.
So Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program and Advanced Aerospace
Threat Identification
Program being the other acronym.
And I was like, holy shit, wait, that's that guy, Lou Elizondo, that I heard
about.
Oh, you know what?
I think I have heard of OSAP.
When I was a lieutenant, I used to read these reports from the Defense
Intelligence Agency
on black holes and stuff.
And I was like, oh, that's like stupid.
Why is the DIA looking into black holes, time warps, it just didn't make any
sense to
me back in like 08, 09 when I was a lieutenant.
And all of a sudden I'm like, well, maybe there's something to this UFO thing.
I'm not saying I was like a believer either way on the subject, but this was a
topic of
concern apparently for the Pentagon.
And in 2018, I started doing kind of what I call my open source literature
review.
Like, let me spin myself up on this topic.
Watching Chris Mellon, Lou Elizondo, Leslie Keane, all these people talk about
the subject.
And then, you know, just trying to understand, so what is this with UFOs?
Has this been going on for a while?
The answer is yes.
Like Foo Fighters, sightings of weird stuff in antiquity, et cetera, which we
can get into
later.
But, and so early 2019 comes along and my boss at the National Reconnaissance
Office in kind
of my Air Force major capacity forwarded me an email from the, what became,
stood up in like,
I guess it was 2018, which was the unidentified, well, it was aerial, now anomalous
Philomena
task force, UAP task force.
So the UAP task force director sent my boss an email saying, Hey, we're looking
for a rep
to the task force.
And as like any good officer, I was like, well, I'll put it on my performance
report.
Hey, I was on a task force and you know, that would look good.
And I, being well cleared and also a bachelor's degree in physics, a master's
in intelligence
analysis.
I'm like, you know what?
I'll figure out what this shit is.
It's either going to be weather shit.
Maybe it's an adversarial program, maybe it's like a U.S. program, people are
misidentifying
on rare occasions.
So fuck it, I'll, I'll go see where the data takes me.
And, you know, early 2019 or so, I joined the UAP task force.
And then I started, you know, interviewing pilots, flag officers, you know,
general officer
equivalent type Navy folks and, you know, they were seeing some really crazy
shit and like
a, you know, event that I talked about previously publicly in a YouTube video
on a, the yes theory
channel, you know, I, there was this one 30 year senior Navy officer that, you
know, he
was going to work sober, no predisposition for fantasy, all that kind of stuff.
Cause I interviewed the individual for a couple hours and he saw this, you know,
crazy triangle
hover over his car going to work at a certain Naval facility and it like blew
his mind.
He was serious.
Um, the paint on his car turned milky white after the incident.
So that's, to me, that sounds like ionizing radiation.
So like ultraviolet, just like how your, your headlights get all foggy over
time.
If you park your car out in the sun, same phenomenon just happened, you know,
within 24 hour period.
And I'm like, Whoa, if this is true and the, the, the oral testimony and, you
know, crazy
radar data that I saw when I was on the task force, you know, stuff making
turns, it didn't
make any sense.
Well, holy shit.
What is this stuff?
That this, um, anomaly with his paint was, is this documented?
Is it photographs or yes, I saw photographs.
It was documented.
Yeah.
And, uh, what is there a conventional explanation?
I mean, based on what he described something to rapidly ionize his paint like
that within
a day, I don't, I can't think of anything off the top of my head in terms of
some conventional
aerospace technology and, and this was a certain facility in the continental U
S this is not
overseas.
So it's not like our adversaries flying some spooky thing, um, in U S airspace.
So this thing hovered over his car for how long?
A couple minutes while he was traveling at about 60 miles an hour.
So it was pacing how far away from his vehicle.
Hmm.
It was probably a couple hundred feet in altitude.
It was less than a thousand feet, which is also bad because from an airspace
perspective,
pilots would know this, anything under a thousand feet, no, unless you get
special clearance
and you only do that over controlled airspace, like a military test ranges,
right?
Right.
People fly low and that kind of thing.
So is, is he on, what kind of a highway is he on?
A conventional civilian highway.
Civilian highway.
So anyone could have been on it.
Yes.
And it just happened to be this guy.
Mm-hmm.
Um, did he have any other experiences with this thing?
No, this was like a once in a lifetime thing.
Um, he kept it to himself for a couple of years, but then he, um, his task
force came out.
What was his name?
Uh, I don't, what he's, that individual's still on active duty.
Let's call him Bob.
Yeah.
Did, did anybody say to him, Hey Bob, what the fuck happened to your car?
You know, that's a good question.
I don't remember if, uh, people asked him about his car.
So he took pride in his car.
So it actually was probably more upsetting to him personally.
What kind of car was it?
It was like a Toyota or something.
So, yeah.
So all of a sudden his Toyota's fucked.
Yeah.
Okay.
And, um, so did he have to report this?
Is this something that he did not report it to my knowledge to anybody.
It wasn't until he reported it to us about five years later that it, uh, it
happened.
So are these kinds of experiences something that a lot of these pilots are
embarrassed about
discussing or have apprehension about discussing because they could be ridiculed?
Yeah.
A lot of people that are on flight status, they don't want to be sent to the
psych, right?
You know, there's a whole aerospace physiology kind of empire in the military,
uh, that, you
know, if you're an operator or, you know, a guy, a missile, missile key turner,
you're
on what they call a personal reliability program.
You're taking like, you know, Tylenol, you got to report it.
If you have a fever, you got to report it cause you're, you know, in control of
nuclear
weapons when you're on duty.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
And so this idea of, uh, being predisposed to fantasy, that's also something
that they,
uh, sort of talk to these people about or try to get a gauge of.
Yeah.
Yeah.
These are people that are very sober minded.
I mean, this individual was early in the morning going to work, not under the
influence of anything.
And, uh, that person had a, you know, similar clearance as mine, no TSSCI.
So, you know, we've gone through.
Yes.
Was that top secret, you know, since the department of information clearance
and, you know, just
like myself, I've been through multiple polygraphs in my career.
So did this individual.
So, um, does he have any idea or any, uh, theories about why this thing was
following him?
No, that's what freaked him out the most because he didn't have any experience
in his life like
this and like totally blew his mind when he looked out his moonroof and then
looked out
the side of his, uh, car door and saw this 300 foot triangle.
Uh, it was like pre-dawn sky, but it was darker than the pre-dawn sky.
And it had this like plasma edges, like it was like purplish glowing edges and
these three
lights that had like these omni directional, like almost like pool lights.
You know how there's, you can't really tell where the light source is and it
was totally
trippy.
And that, and that's just one example of many anecdotal with some evidence, you
know, pilot
stories.
Uh, and that's what made me dig deeper and I started, you know, cultivating my
network.
Like, has the government studied this before?
This wasn't just OSAP and ATIP and blue book and all this shit in the past,
right?
There's, this seems serious.
So like, certainly the government has looked at this and you know, I went to
search for
that program and that's what I ended up whistleblowing on.
Right.
So when you, what was, how did you initially discover this program and like,
what was your
first encounter with the information?
A very senior individual in the Intel community came to me when, uh, I guess I
was asking a
lot of questions cause I'm a very inquisitive guy and it was like, Hey, we, I
need to introduce
you to somebody.
Uh, you know, he listed that certain person's academic credentials, which were
beyond reproach,
a PhD level education clearance resume was insane.
I'm like, well, okay, sure.
I'll, I'll talk to this person.
And, and I ended up meeting that person in a, you know, uh, uh, top secret
facility.
And, you know, he started to discussing like, Hey, there was a program.
I was on it and you know, we were reverse engineering crash material that we've
recovered
over the decades, you know?
And he's like, I'm not joking.
You know, and, you know, we know what we're telling you because you're, you
have, you guys
have to report to the deputy secretary of defense and Congress on this matter.
Right.
And we were, we were actively briefing like, uh, secretary Esper deputy
secretary Norquist,
you know, um, other cabinet level folks.
Right.
And it's like, there's a, there, you know, there must be, there's an oversight
issue because
you're the UAP task force.
You should be read into this stuff because like, why spend the taxpayers, you
know, dollars
looking at stuff that we already have data on.
So that's, and that spooked me.
And that was lik