Name: Dr. Shawn Baker on Processed Foods, Food Addiction, and Carnivore Diet
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And I went to those guys to the beef checkoff and I said, hey, look, we want to
spend a little bit of money to do a study on beef versus diabetes because we
know the results are going to be.
The people are going to, they're going to go on an all meat diet or a close to
all meat diet and their diabetes is going to go away.
It's simple and it takes all the confusion out because whenever you do, you
know, you hear all these dietary studies.
It's like, oh, but he was eating hamburgers and French fries and there's all
this confounders.
And it's like, you can't really test it.
I'm like, the perfect way to test if meat is healthy or not is to just put them
on a damn carnivore diet and see what happens.
It's the only way to test it because if you do an epidemiology study and you
don't account for sugar, sugar, coca-cola, bread, pasta, lasagna.
That's exactly, that's what Harvard did recently.
They didn't account for sugar intake when they said beef causes diabetes.
I'm like, you've got to be kidding me.
You're not even counting sugar?
That's so crazy.
Right, but they get this published and this is really bad science, you know,
and guys like John Inaitis, who's one of the most cited scientists in the world,
has basically said all this epidemiology we're doing, we're just wasting money.
It's not telling us anything because it's all garbage, but they keep doing it
over and over again because they generate headlines, you know, the headlines I
want.
But anyway, back to this beef checkoff thing.
So I said, hey, look, you know, every year you award money, you know, hundreds
of thousands, you know, tens of millions of dollars to promote beef.
I said, let's get a little bit of money to do a research study on diabetes.
And they literally said, no, we're not interested in doing that.
And I'm like, you've got to be kidding me.
The beef industry is taking a beating right now.
You know, you listen to it.
It's like, you know, everybody wants to get rid of beef.
The cow farts are boiling in the oceans and, you know, it's going to kill you.
It's going to give you cancer.
All of it is largely nonsense.
And this is, you know, in my view, this type of study would clearly, clearly
demonstrate that not only does beef not cause diabetes.
In fact, I talked to the CEO of the NCBA two years ago.
I sat down.
I presented in front of the California Cattlemen's Association.
And literally the president of the association stood up and said, I went on a
carver diet and cured my diabetes.
It's like, yeah, it's clear.
And the guy said, yeah, I get it.
We're going to help you out.
We're going to get this going.
I didn't hear.
I heard nothing from these guys.
So what I think is going on is the USDA kind of oversees all these checkoffs.
And they just kind of say, look, you can't say that because we want to promote,
you know, because, again, they have all these processed food lobbies, Nabisco
and PepsiCo sitting on the, you know, they're on the board.
And they're like, if we promote this one food and people stop eating all this
processed food, right, then what are we going to do?
We're going to lose a lot of money.
You think about it, you know, not that I'm advocating that everybody want a
carnivore diet because I don't think that's, I don't think it's necessary for,
you know, for one.
But if you significantly cut back on all those people consuming all this
garbage, you know, what does that do economically to this country?
I mean, you think about how much money is spent on garbage food, the drugs that
are needed to be treated.
You're talking, I mean, we spent $4.3 trillion a year on health care in this
country.
And what do we get for it?
We got one of the sickest populations in the world.
Our life inspection is going down.
Everybody's fat.
Everybody's depressed.
Everybody's on drugs.
You know, it's crazy.
It is crazy.
And it's crazy that they don't look to diet as being the primary cause of that.
Or if they do, they look to these epidemiology studies that don't take into
account exactly what you're eating with the meat.
Why is it meat that's always demonized?
Well, I think for a number of reasons.
One, if you go back to, like, dietetics in the beginning.
Like, back in 1917, the American Dietetics Association was formed.
This was formed literally by Seventh-day Adventists.
So that from the very, very beginning, the creation of the nutrition science
field, these Seventh-day Adventists who are, you know, religiously vegetarians.
You know, you go back to, like, the Kellogg's brothers, you know, John Harvey
Kellogg, where he's out there, you know, circumcising females and saying,
we can't eat meat because it's going to make you have sex and make you have
lust and masturbate.
This is all, like, this religious stuff.
And then it got, you know.
People don't know that.
But they should know that.
Yeah, yeah.
That he developed this cereal, this bland cereal, to discourage masturbation,
which is one of the wildest things I have ever heard.
Yeah, that guy was a wacko, man.
He was in there fucking giving.
You're a wild dude.
He was giving himself, like, high-pressure enemas every day.
It was just, like, fucking 20 gallons a minute enemas.
Because he thought that was something.
Yeah, he was a wacko.
He was a really nutty guy.
You read about some of his stuff.
20-gallon enemas?
It was some ridiculous, like, super high capacity, like a super soaker on
steroids thing.
Just, are enemas bad for you?
Because I've always wondered if your internal gut flora is important, and it is.
Isn't that getting washed out?
I think to some degree it is.
I don't know that anybody's really looked at it from that angle.
But, you know, I think in some cases, like, you know, some people have got some
problems with constipation.
It could be helpful.
But I don't think it's generally a healthy practice for most people.
I know there's people that are, like, putting weird stuff up their butt.
Man, it's just kind of like a thing.
I think it probably feels good.
It might.
Get flushed out.
Well, it also makes you see everything come out of you, I guess.
I've never done it.
But apparently there's a tube, and they look at it.
Oh, look, here's your problems.
Yeah, it's kind of like these, there's this thing these crazy vegans do where
they consume, like, this charcoal and this jelly and stuff.
This kind of gruel mix, and then it kind of, like, fills up their intestines,
and they poop it all out, and they say, that's clearing out all my intestines.
I can't remember what they call it, but it's like, there's these crazy, crazy
videos where they're just pulling all this, like, gelatinous black stuff out of
their butt.
But it's like, you just ate all that stuff.
That's what's coming out of you.
Oh, look all the toxins.
Yeah, exactly.
You just ate that stupid.
You just ate the same toxins.
People are obsessed with that term, like, releasing the toxins.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, they really think that that's what's happening when you sweat, you
get in the sauna, you're releasing the toxins.
Like, when you're sweating, your body's regulating your heat temperature.
Yeah, that's what's going on.
You know what clears your toxins?
Your fucking liver.
Yeah.
That's what that thing's for.
Yeah, liver, kidneys.
Yeah, we've got a pretty good detox system, for sure.
Yeah.
You don't need all the smoothie, juice-fast detoxes.
You know, it's like some of the people that are detoxing when their teeth fall
off.
They're detoxing their teeth.
Well, the other thing is, with the smoothie thing, is, my God, you're getting
so much sugar.
And you're getting it in a weird form.
Yeah.
If you're in eating fruit smoothies, you're getting sugar in a very unnatural
form.
Fruit juices, we used to think that fruit juices are really good for you.
Most doctors would agree that fruit juices are very high in sugar.
Yeah.
And to get it in that sort of liquid dose, where it just goes right into your
fucking bloodstream in your liver, that's a lot of sugar.
That's a lot of sugar, man.
Well, you think about it, because, Joe, you're out hunting all the time.
And, you know, when you're going out and you're like, if I had to get food out
here, what would I have available to eat?
I can tell you what you wouldn't.
You wouldn't have all this processed food, but particularly like powder.
You know, like we make powdered sugar, we make powdered flour, and we combine
them together, but we've changed the nature of the food so much that it's
interesting.
You know, I saw Darius Muzafari, who's a researcher at Tuft, who, he's the guy
to put out the study that says, or was part of the study that said, you know,
like, lucky charms are healthier than eggs.
You saw that last year, that's total BS, right?
But one thing he did point out was that, like, over the last 20 years or so, we
haven't really been eating much more calories than we were.
Like, from the 1960s to about 2000, we ate more calories, and maybe that
explains why everybody got fat.
But since that time, we really haven't eaten much more, but we've eaten so much
more ultra-processed food.
In fact, right now, the U.S. diet is close to 70% ultra-processed, which you
think about, it's like crazy, and our kids are getting fat.
But one thing that's interesting is, like, you know, because you're talking
about the microbiome, right, our gut flora.
When you eat, like, whole food, you know, it goes farther down your digestive
tract, and then, you know, our microbiome actually consumes something.
Up to 22% of our calories can be consumed by our microbiome, but when you're
just eating sugar, it goes straight in you.
So those calories, your gut microbiome doesn't get any of that, so it's like
you're absorbing more calories.
So just by changing the quality of the food, you're changing how many calories
you absorb, and that is what some people say is part of what leads to this
obesity thing.
But we know, like, for instance, well, here's another thing.
The USDA came out with a study, like, I don't know, three months ago, 91%
processed food diet is healthy.
You know, this is what they're pushing, trying to get us, because they're
trying to position us to say-
What was this study?
This was the USDA put it out.
It was probably, I think it was the NOVA study.
I think I've got, I might have that on there, Jamie, but it's basically,
because there's some, there's starting to be backlash against ultra-processed
fruits.
I mean, like, South America's starting to ban this stuff, which I think, you
know, I'm not, I'm not for banning food.
I mean, I think that gets into, you know, freedom of choice and things like
that.
So you shouldn't ban, just like, you can still smoke if you want to.
You know, it's not the best for you, so you don't want to do that.
But at the same point, you know, they're saying, like, this stuff is, there's a
lot of backlash.
Like, people like myself and probably you and others just saying, look, this
ultra-processed garbage is literally killing us.
It's making us crazy.
It's making us depressed.
All these people with mental health disorders, a lot of that nutrition is part
of that, and we can talk about that.
But, you know, what they're seeing is there's a backlash against that.
Yeah, so that's the NOVA study.
Dietary Guidelines Meet NOVA, Developing a Menu for a Healthy Dietary Pattern
Using Ultra-Processed Foods.
Yeah, so they're basically saying, hey, how do we make people eat more
processed food and make it, quote-unquote, healthy?
And they showed that they could make a diet that's, like, 91% ultra-processed
foods and still be, quote-unquote, healthy.
Look at what it says here.
It says, the purpose of this proof-of-concept study was to determine the feasibility
of building a menu that aligns with the recommendations for a healthy dietary
pattern from the 2020 DGA
and includes a over 80%, what is that, K-C-A-L, what is that?
Kilocalories.
Kilocalories from UPF, Ultra-Processed Foods, as defined by NOVA, designed to
accomplish this objective.
We first developed a list of foods that fit NOVA criteria for UPF, Ultra-Processed
Foods, fit within a dietary patterns in the 2020 DGA,
and are commonly consumed by Americans.
We then used these foods to develop a set, what is that, 7D?
What does that mean?
Seven-day.
Seven-day.
Seven-day, 2,000 kilocalorie menu modeled on the MyPyramid sample menus and
assessed this menu for nutrient content as well as for diet quality using the
Healthy Eating Index.
The results in the Ultra-Processed DGA menu that was created, 91% of the kilocalories
were from Ultra-Processed Food or NOVA Category 4.
The HEI 215 score was 86 out of a possible 100 points.
The sample menu did not achieve a perfect score due primarily to excess sodium
and an insufficient amount of whole grains.
This menu provided adequate amounts of all macro and micronutrients except
vitamin D, vitamin E, and choline.
Conclusions.
Healthy dietary patterns can include most of their energy from Ultra-Processed
Foods, still receive a high diet quality score, and contain adequate amounts of
most macro and micronutrients.
Boy.
Right.
So remember, USDA, the guys that go there, they leave USDA and they go sit on
the board of directors at Nabisco and PepsiCo.
And so this is really, I think, what this is.
It's positioning us as a society to accept that Ultra-Processed Foods are our
food.
It's really human pet food.
I mean, you see what happens to our pets.
Yes.
And everybody's fat, so we're going to say, well, it's still okay.
If it's okay if you eat your, you know, your human dog chow or your human chow,
just keep doing that.
Don't ask questions.
And, oh, by the way, here's an Ozempic shot or a semaglutide shot.
Well, semaglutide shot we'll give you to kind of keep you chilled out.
So it's really, I mean, it's almost sinister in a way.
It's very bizarre.
It's very bizarre that this isn't challenged.
And that shows you how captured our food industry really is.
The fact that that's not challenged, the fact that our health guidelines aren't
set on, hey, what you should be eating is what human beings are designed to eat
in nature.
Yeah.
Well, I mean.
Which is real food.
I mean, you know, my opinion on dietary guidelines, because we have a USDA that
meets every five years.
And by the way, so the USDA dietary guidelines, did you see there's a physician
from Harvard named Fatima Stanford, right?
And she went on 60 Minutes and said, obesity has nothing to do with diet.
It has nothing to do with exercise.
It's all disease and genetic.
And there's nothing you can literally do.
And she's also sponsored by Nova Nordisk, who makes Ozempic, right?
And she's on there.
And she's also a member of the U.S. Dietary Guidelines Panel.
So 95% of the people that sit on the U.S. Dietary Guidelines Panel today for
this next one where they're going to come up for 2025 guidelines all have
financial ties to processed food companies.
I mean, you think about it.
It's just like, this is crazy.
So if you go to like Brazil, like Brazil's Dietary Guidelines, or at least the
one they released a few years ago, it was like, here's what you should do.
Cook at home.
Don't eat processed foods.
And eat with people around that you love.
That's their, literally, that is their recommendation, which I think is better
than our guidelines.
Because, you know, I mean, if left to our own, you know, I mean, we are now
being told we got to eat all this garbage.
And it's just making us, it's just making us sick.
It's crazy.

Dr. Shawn Baker on Processed Foods, Food Addiction, and Carnivore Diet

And I went to those guys to the beef checkoff and I said, hey, look, we want to
spend a little bit of money to do a study on beef versus diabetes because we
know the results are going to be.
The people are going to, they're going to go on an all meat diet or a close to
all meat diet and their diabetes is going to go away.
It's simple and it takes all the confusion out because whenever you do, you
know, you hear all these dietary studies.
It's like, oh, but he was eating hamburgers and French fries and there's all
this confounders.
And it's like, you can't really test it.
I'm like, the perfect way to test if meat is healthy or not is to just put them
on a damn carnivore diet and see what happens.
It's the only way to test it because if you do an epidemiology study and you
don't account for sugar, sugar, coca-cola, bread, pasta, lasagna.
That's exactly, that's what Harvard did recently.
They didn't account for sugar intake when they said beef causes diabetes.
I'm like, you've got to be kidding me.
You're not even counting sugar?
That's so crazy.
Right, but they get this published and this is really bad science, you know,
and guys like John Inaitis, who's one of the most cited scientists in the world,
has basically said all this epidemiology we're doing, we're just wasting money.
It's not telling us anything because it's all garbage, but they keep doing it
over and over again because they generate headlines, you know, the headlines I
want.
But anyway, back to this beef checkoff thing.
So I said, hey, look, you know, every year you award money, you know, hundreds
of thousands, you know, tens of millions of dollars to promote beef.
I said, let's get a little bit of money to do a research study on diabetes.
And they literally said, no, we're not interested in doing that.
And I'm like, you've got to be kidding me.
The beef industry is taking a beating right now.
You know, you listen to it.
It's like, you know, everybody wants to get rid of beef.
The cow farts are boiling in the oceans and, you know, it's going to kill you.
It's going to give you cancer.
All of it is largely nonsense.
And this is, you know, in my view, this type of study would clearly, clearly
demonstrate that not only does beef not cause diabetes.
In fact, I talked to the CEO of the NCBA two years ago.
I sat down.
I presented in front of the California Cattlemen's Association.
And literally the president of the association stood up and said, I went on a
carver diet and cured my diabetes.
It's like, yeah, it's clear.
And the guy said, yeah, I get it.
We're going to help you out.
We're going to get this going.
I didn't hear.
I heard nothing from these guys.
So what I think is going on is the USDA kind of oversees all these checkoffs.
And they just kind of say, look, you can't say that because we want to promote,
you know, because, again, they have all these processed food lobbies, Nabisco
and PepsiCo sitting on the, you know, they're on the board.
And they're like, if we promote this one food and people stop eating all this
processed food, right, then what are we going to do?
We're going to lose a lot of money.
You think about it, you know, not that I'm advocating that everybody want a
carnivore diet because I don't think that's, I don't think it's necessary for,
you know, for one.
But if you significantly cut back on all those people consuming all this
garbage, you know, what does that do economically to this country?
I mean, you think about how much money is spent on garbage food, the drugs that
are needed to be treated.
You're talking, I mean, we spent $4.3 trillion a year on health care in this
country.
And what do we get for it?
We got one of the sickest populations in the world.
Our life inspection is going down.
Everybody's fat.
Everybody's depressed.
Everybody's on drugs.
You know, it's crazy.
It is crazy.
And it's crazy that they don't look to diet as being the primary cause of that.
Or if they do, they look to these epidemiology studies that don't take into
account exactly what you're eating with the meat.
Why is it meat that's always demonized?
Well, I think for a number of reasons.
One, if you go back to, like, dietetics in the beginning.
Like, back in 1917, the American Dietetics Association was formed.
This was formed literally by Seventh-day Adventists.
So that from the very, very beginning, the creation of the nutrition science
field, these Seventh-day Adventists who are, you know, religiously vegetarians.
You know, you go back to, like, the Kellogg's brothers, you know, John Harvey
Kellogg, where he's out there, you know, circumcising females and saying,
we can't eat meat because it's going to make you have sex and make you have
lust and masturbate.
This is all, like, this religious stuff.
And then it got, you know.
People don't know that.
But they should know that.
Yeah, yeah.
That he developed this cereal, this bland cereal, to discourage masturbation,
which is one of the wildest things I have ever heard.
Yeah, that guy was a wacko, man.
He was in there fucking giving.
You're a wild dude.
He was giving himself, like, high-pressure enemas every day.
It was just, like, fucking 20 gallons a minute enemas.
Because he thought that was something.
Yeah, he was a wacko.
He was a really nutty guy.
You read about some of his stuff.
20-gallon enemas?
It was some ridiculous, like, super high capacity, like a super soaker on
steroids thing.
Just, are enemas bad for you?
Because I've always wondered if your internal gut flora is important, and it is.
Isn't that getting washed out?
I think to some degree it is.
I don't know that anybody's really looked at it from that angle.
But, you know, I think in some cases, like, you know, some people have got some
problems with constipation.
It could be helpful.
But I don't think it's generally a healthy practice for most people.
I know there's people that are, like, putting weird stuff up their butt.
Man, it's just kind of like a thing.
I think it probably feels good.
It might.
Get flushed out.
Well, it also makes you see everything come out of you, I guess.
I've never done it.
But apparently there's a tube, and they look at it.
Oh, look, here's your problems.
Yeah, it's kind of like these, there's this thing these crazy vegans do where
they consume, like, this charcoal and this jelly and stuff.
This kind of gruel mix, and then it kind of, like, fills up their intestines,
and they poop it all out, and they say, that's clearing out all my intestines.
I can't remember what they call it, but it's like, there's these crazy, crazy
videos where they're just pulling all this, like, gelatinous black stuff out of
their butt.
But it's like, you just ate all that stuff.
That's what's coming out of you.
Oh, look all the toxins.
Yeah, exactly.
You just ate that stupid.
You just ate the same toxins.
People are obsessed with that term, like, releasing the toxins.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, they really think that that's what's happening when you sweat, you
get in the sauna, you're releasing the toxins.
Like, when you're sweating, your body's regulating your heat temperature.
Yeah, that's what's going on.
You know what clears your toxins?
Your fucking liver.
Yeah.
That's what that thing's for.
Yeah, liver, kidneys.
Yeah, we've got a pretty good detox system, for sure.
Yeah.
You don't need all the smoothie, juice-fast detoxes.
You know, it's like some of the people that are detoxing when their teeth fall
off.
They're detoxing their teeth.
Well, the other thing is, with the smoothie thing, is, my God, you're getting
so much sugar.
And you're getting it in a weird form.
Yeah.
If you're in eating fruit smoothies, you're getting sugar in a very unnatural
form.
Fruit juices, we used to think that fruit juices are really good for you.
Most doctors would agree that fruit juices are very high in sugar.
Yeah.
And to get it in that sort of liquid dose, where it just goes right into your
fucking bloodstream in your liver, that's a lot of sugar.
That's a lot of sugar, man.
Well, you think about it, because, Joe, you're out hunting all the time.
And, you know, when you're going out and you're like, if I had to get food out
here, what would I have available to eat?
I can tell you what you wouldn't.
You wouldn't have all this processed food, but particularly like powder.
You know, like we make powdered sugar, we make powdered flour, and we combine
them together, but we've changed the nature of the food so much that it's
interesting.
You know, I saw Darius Muzafari, who's a researcher at Tuft, who, he's the guy
to put out the study that says, or was part of the study that said, you know,
like, lucky charms are healthier than eggs.
You saw that last year, that's total BS, right?
But one thing he did point out was that, like, over the last 20 years or so, we
haven't really been eating much more calories than we were.
Like, from the 1960s to about 2000, we ate more calories, and maybe that
explains why everybody got fat.
But since that time, we really haven't eaten much more, but we've eaten so much
more ultra-processed food.
In fact, right now, the U.S. diet is close to 70% ultra-processed, which you
think about, it's like crazy, and our kids are getting fat.
But one thing that's interesting is, like, you know, because you're talking
about the microbiome, right, our gut flora.
When you eat, like, whole food, you know, it goes farther down your digestive
tract, and then, you know, our microbiome actually consumes something.
Up to 22% of our calories can be consumed by our microbiome, but when you're
just eating sugar, it goes straight in you.
So those calories, your gut microbiome doesn't get any of that, so it's like
you're absorbing more calories.
So just by changing the quality of the food, you're changing how many calories
you absorb, and that is what some people say is part of what leads to this
obesity thing.
But we know, like, for instance, well, here's another thing.
The USDA came out with a study, like, I don't know, three months ago, 91%
processed food diet is healthy.
You know, this is what they're pushing, trying to get us, because they're
trying to position us to say-
What was this study?
This was the USDA put it out.
It was probably, I think it was the NOVA study.
I think I've got, I might have that on there, Jamie, but it's basically,
because there's some, there's starting to be backlash against ultra-processed
fruits.
I mean, like, South America's starting to ban this stuff, which I think, you
know, I'm not, I'm not for banning food.
I mean, I think that gets into, you know, freedom of choice and things like
that.
So you shouldn't ban, just like, you can still smoke if you want to.
You know, it's not the best for you, so you don't want to do that.
But at the same point, you know, they're saying, like, this stuff is, there's a
lot of backlash.
Like, people like myself and probably you and others just saying, look, this
ultra-processed garbage is literally killing us.
It's making us crazy.
It's making us depressed.
All these people with mental health disorders, a lot of that nutrition is part
of that, and we can talk about that.
But, you know, what they're seeing is there's a backlash against that.
Yeah, so that's the NOVA study.
Dietary Guidelines Meet NOVA, Developing a Menu for a Healthy Dietary Pattern
Using Ultra-Processed Foods.
Yeah, so they're basically saying, hey, how do we make people eat more
processed food and make it, quote-unquote, healthy?
And they showed that they could make a diet that's, like, 91% ultra-processed
foods and still be, quote-unquote, healthy.
Look at what it says here.
It says, the purpose of this proof-of-concept study was to determine the feasibility
of building a menu that aligns with the recommendations for a healthy dietary
pattern from the 2020 DGA
and includes a over 80%, what is that, K-C-A-L, what is that?
Kilocalories.
Kilocalories from UPF, Ultra-Processed Foods, as defined by NOVA, designed to
accomplish this objective.
We first developed a list of fo