Name: Joe Rogan Experience #2091 - Diana Walsh Pasulka
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #2091 - Diana Walsh Pasulka' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2024-01-24. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #2091 - Diana Walsh Pasulka

It's a scary podcast for me because I feel like you're because I know a lot of
the things that
you've said and I've related to them and I've said okay this makes sense why is
that scary
okay so it's scary because it's not consensus reality and you know because it's
not consensus
reality we could talk about it over hot chocolate in the you know near a fire
or something but here
we're talking about it and lots of people are going to be listening yes so that
is somewhat
yeah that's the hurdle that we all have to get over and the the good thing
about this is it really
is just us talking right you know and there are a lot of people that are going
to listen but they're
just people too that's true and they've probably had these experiences some of
them have yeah the
the experiences are that are available through psychedelics that I've always
wondered I mean
the thing that it's always struck me about the ufo experience particularly the
abduction experience
is that it always happens when people are asleep it always happens at night it
either happens on the
road when people are tired and it's late at night or it happens like why does
it have to happen at
night the universe doesn't give a shit what where the Sun is in position to
with the planet that
doesn't make any sense that all these UFO abduction experiences would happen
only when the Sun is on
the other side that's so dumb it makes no sense it's literally it's such an egocentric
earth-centric
perspective that and not even earth-centric or hemispherical centric right it
depends on where the Sun is in position to the Earth
that for that to be the only time that UFOs come I was always like this seems
like horse shit there's
something about it seems like horse shit but there's also something about it
that seems real when you listen
like Betty and Barney Hill when they're they're talking boy that sounds like
people talking about a real
thing boy that sounds like a real experience it really does and these people
like the Whitley
Stryber's he's people to talk about these experiences that happen at night we
know for a fact that when you are
sleeping your brain is producing endogenous psychedelic chemicals we have no
idea why we have no idea what the
purpose of those things are we have no idea what the quantity is we we used to
think until recently they
weren't even exactly sure like where was being produced but now through Strassman's
work and through the work of the
Cottonwood Research Foundation the the people that do those DMT studies they
know that now your brain is producing this and so is your brain
is it a is it producing a chemical gateway into another dimension and is that
why these people are experiencing these
abduction you know air quote abduction experiences these these encounters which
let's say encounters is that why they're happening at night
is that where they're happening while they're lying in bed because that seems
to make way more sense yeah that's a great question I can talk a little bit
about this please okay
so I think that can we I think we're starting weird yeah can we just start with
how did you get involved in this okay please just tell people
your background okay sure so I'm a professor of religious studies at the
University of North Carolina in Wilmington and I grew up in California and
I've always I've always I've always been interested in these experiences but
religion and also I grew up I was
going to graduate school during the dot-com boom so I saw how technology was
changing everything our schools were the first to
adopt computers and that type of thing so what I did was I was very interested
in I was working you know what your parents you
tell them you want to study religion and they're like why not be a doctor right
so I was going to college but I kept taking
courses in religion and philosophy and when I got out I got a job doing
technology and things like that and I made all right
money but I still read about religion and philosophy so I figured if I could
get
scholarships to continue that I would and I kept getting scholarships and that's
how
I got my PhD in religion in in religious studies by the way we actually we're
not
ministers or anything like that we don't advocate for any religious tradition
we
study them and since most people in the world are religious in some way it's it's
a
good thing to know but how did I get into studying UFOs so I studied Christian
history and that's what I did for a long time until I was what's called a full
professor you can't go any higher your full professor that's it and I started I
studied these things called ascent narratives so it said narratives are when
people levitate in the you know Christian tradition people either levitate or
they
have they see things that they call angels or demons and things like this and I
studied them from a historical perspective and I found that going through
looking at these ascent narratives through the historical record at the Vatican
actually I kept coming across aerial phenomena in the historical records from
a thousand years ago from 500 years ago from you know very recently and I
recognized that this was happening in in UFO literature and so I started to
look at
abductions and UFO sightings and things like that and I wanted to do a
cross-cultural analysis of this and that was in 2012 and that's how I got into
this I
just want to point out that not all abductions happen in your sleep a lot of
abductions actually happen in daylight but I do agree with you that something's
happening in your brain and you're perceiving something and you called it is
there's some type of mental gateway and I think there's absolutely a mental
gateway does this discount that these this is objective of us like you know the
question is is this something subjective or this is this something objective of
us my
opinion at this point is it's something that is objective of us there's
there's something that we're accessing and I don't think it's it's within our
space-time reality to tell you the truth so you think it's from somewhere else
I
do but that doesn't I mean it doesn't have to be a location you know a
geography right that's where it gets weird it gets totally weird but so does
quantum physics quantum physics is totally weird it's the weirdest stuff
ever yeah and it's completely accepted that you could have something that
exists in one place and also in another place now it is moving also still
yeah the Nobel Prize in what was it 2022 was about that yeah which is like what
are you saying you're saying witchcraft's real like what is what he's saying
quantum physics is the nuttiest stuff of all time I've had a hundred people
explain it to me I don't get it still yeah well see okay so you were talking
about accessing this this space and if I can go back to something you were
talking about about and I'm gonna say this so what I found was and I had this
experience too when I was around 13 years old I felt like the world was going
to
end I felt like there was going to be some kind of war and it was a visceral
feeling it wasn't something that it was something that made me depressed as a
child and it it was real I believed it was going to happen and I believed it
was
going to happen at any time well this after studying religion and studying by
the
way this kind of prompted me in to studying religion and recognizing that you
know if you look at say Christianity or even other religions people had ideas
that
the world was going to end and extinction events have happened and things like
that
so it could very well be that information like this is coming to us but it's
out of
our space time so to us it seems like it's gonna happen now because our senses
of
linear time right so if we get a feeling and it's not from any of the input
that
we're getting like our you know people telling us this is actually gonna happen
the news telling us this is actually gonna happen but it's coming to us is this
feeling that you and I were just talking about and it could be coming from that
space that we've just identified as you know people are talking about and and
yeah
I think that we're at the very beginning of doing a taxonomy or you know
looking at this space in terms of the scientists that you just referenced and
people that yeah I think that actually people have you know indigenous cultures
talk about this space they have language about this space I talked about this
in encounters
that you know religious traditions do talk about these spaces but in secular
culture we've
lost that language well it's it is interesting that that language exists when
you're discussing
things like quantum physics because that is a language of like you know it's a
bizarre
non-tangible impossible to understand to the to the lay person when you're
explaining that these
things are all interacting with each other without physical contact like what
do you like what do you
mean like what are you saying like can you show me these things there photos of
them no we're just
drawing you we're writing it down on paper we're pretty sure we have these
equations and we know what
it is like what yeah yeah like why am I supposed to believe you because you
guys are PhDs like what
this is nuts like but because this is like in a field of science this is a
field of study that's
universally accepted we have we've like given them a pass to talk about crazy
stuff but if you want to talk
about crazy things in terms of encountering some sort of thing some entities
some consciousness that exists
in an alternative realm that has access to this realm occasionally or perhaps
that you can transcend
your normal state of consciousness and access this other realm occasionally
through some methods whether it's through
meditation through psychedelic trips through something near-death experiences
something happens that
perturbs the normal state of reality and you have brief access to this
transcendent experience that
everyone has talked about all of the great prophets all of the the great saints
and religious figures have
talked about from the beginning of written history yeah so I think that it's
not just that we give those
physics guys a pass and girls okay we just don't what they produce actually is
creates our world right the
computers we look at and the technologies we use even the structures we live in
and so this is what prompted
me to go back into our historical record like and look at like the writings of
Plato again and some of you
know some of these people that you're talking about like the the great minds
right and I recognize
that say Plato who writes about his mentor Socrates he's by the way killed by
his country you know he's killed by
Athens the town he lives in not the town but the state he lives in and he's he's
he's executed
for being an atheist by the way and if you look at what he's talking about he's
actually talking about this space he's
actually talking about having a vision of something that we can't see and he
calls it the good and he says it's it's the best
thing okay and he says it it makes you do things that are just and you don't do
them because they're the right
thing to do you do them because you really want to do them and so to me this is
I thought this was fascinating so
I went back and I recognized that he was what's called a math realist so he
believed that and he was one of the first
people well not just him but people you know we're talking about the you know
three hundreds before
the common era so many many many years ago he's already identifying these
things called platonic solids
that now we can prove exist but we're we weren't able to prove them so he was
using and he even has this
language to Joe he has this language he says that we can actually we can
actually perceive these through
our minds but it's not normal intellect it's not your normal abstract thinking
but it's a type of
thinking and he relates it to protocols like physical protocols like did you
know he was a wrestler no
I did