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The Joe Rogan Experience.
What do you think the UFO phenomenon is?
Yeah, so I think first of all that there are a lot of different varieties of it.
But when we look at, like we were looking at the Francis of Assisi and the kind
of historical
things and the abductions and things like that, I think that that it's been
around for
a long time and that these are things that are in communication with us.
So I used what I do in my book, both the books that I wrote about this, is I go,
I talk to
people who I think represent thousands of people.
So each person in the book represents thousands, if not more, maybe many
thousands of people
who have had experiences and the ways in which they interpret them.
So all of the people seem to have had experiences where now what they want to
do is they actually
want to work for justice in different ways.
Like Jose, the veteran in my book, he's working with young people and helping
them deal with
being addicted to social media and things like that and helping them get
through life, which
is really hard right now.
And that's what he's doing.
And then you look at Dr. Whiteley, right?
So she's working in a space where she's trying to, you know, help people deal
with the fact
that they're seeing things that, you know, that could down planes and things
like that.
And she's helping people talk about that.
She's helping people.
Each person in, you know, is somehow doing what I'm suggesting that I think is
an out,
this kind of structural injustice that we see.
So I think that this is a transformational thing without the drugs is what's
going on,
like some kind of massive experience that people are having.
And now it's getting out and people are being able to talk to each other
through Reddit
communities and, you know, different types of social media.
So it is, it's, it's, we did see, you know, religions when they begin, they
become viral
at one point.
We've never seen it in an age where we have digital technology, but this is
what we're seeing
now.
What do you think the physical objects are?
Well, okay.
So this is something that's very interesting.
We just looked at the Shroud of Turin.
And I believe that there are these, I would call them, and this is just my own
non-scientific
term, interdimensional objects.
They're objects that have characteristics of our dimension and some other
dimension.
So some other dimension has the capability or something from some other
dimension has the
capability of transporting a physical object into our realm.
Or even imprinting onto a physical object.
Yeah.
How so?
Well, I don't know.
I mean, I think that's what...
What do you mean by, what does that mean, imprinting onto a physical object?
So with the Shroud of Turin, we see the imprint of, you know, the image and...
If it's real.
Yeah, if it's real.
But it's an anomalous object.
So we do have, from Gary Nolan, engineered objects that we don't know how they're
engineered.
But they definitely look like they're, you know, it's off planet.
I would call the kinds of things that we see in the historical record, interdimensional
types
of things.
Now, how?
I don't know, Joe.
Okay.
So I just don't know.
But I do think that scientists in the government know that these things exist
and they would like
to figure it out.
And so part of disclosure, the disclosure movement, is outsourcing this and
trying to get as many
people as possible to help in figuring it out.
What do you think when they use the term donations, what do you think the
purpose of that is?
If there is an object that is purposely released into our, you know, like I'm
sure you're aware
of cargo cults, right?
Yes.
So with cargo cults, for people that don't know, there's been some islands
during World War I
and World War II where planes landed there and they left.
And these people, they created these statues of these planes and they worshipped
them.
And they wanted them to come back.
Yes.
Yeah.
Because they got food and, you know, all kinds of wonderful things from the
planes.
Right.
Yeah.
Like they thought of them as deities.
Right.
So yeah, that in my field has been called the cargo cult, the UFO cargo cult,
right?
And obviously Tyler and James view these parts as, as donate, they called it
the donation site.
Right.
So giving it the idea that...
Is that just one theory?
Yeah.
That's just one theory.
Are there other theories that there's a biological organism that encounters a
lightning storm and
it actually crashes and there's physical bodies that are recovered?
Oh yeah.
There is that.
Yeah.
There's that.
Yeah.
What's your take on that?
Because that's one of the things that Grush talked about and some of the other
people talked
about that there, there are biological things that have been recovered.
Well, what impressed me about the way, about what he said was that he used the
term biologics
and I actually know that term because that's the same term that Tyler was
talking about
when he was creating materials in anti-gravity spaces on, on space shuttles and
such.
So I was wondering, cause David Grush does get his information from people in,
allegedly in
the programs, but he's never seen these materials that I know of.
I think he has some firsthand experience that he was not able to talk about
that he's alluding
to.
Okay.
I think, but this is a, this is recent and he's been very careful about how he
releases
this information and what he's able to release and not able to release.
And that, that I was like, okay, really?
I mean, I've not seen any, any bodies, nor have I seen intact craft, but I also
have had,
now remember, I don't have a clearance like he has, so I can actually talk
about what people
have told me.
I have had people tell me that, yes, Diana, there are intact craft.
I don't know.
I mean, maybe.
So I don't know, Joe.
Have you studied Bob Lazar?
Okay.
Yes.
I have always asked about Bob Lazar.
Yeah.
And I don't know, but I can tell you that people that I've met who are
associated with the programs
tell me that he's, he's, he's right.
Now I know his backgrounds and I know, you know, all the things I, I don't, I
don't have
an opinion one way or the other, but I can also say that a lot of times people
with very
disturbing backgrounds, you know, who could be easily discredited are given
information
and shown things and told things.
Well, I would think that that's sort of like a little escape clause.
Yeah, I think so.
I think it is.
I mean, the guy's obviously a genius and was obviously a propulsion expert and
put a fucking
jet engine on a Honda in like the 1980s.
He's a fascinating guy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, um, you know, he claims that there's some element, some element that
exists in other
places in the universe, which leads me to believe, well, not even to believe,
but like, so here's
the question.
Are some of these things from other planets?
Is that also in the equation?
I mean, just because something is traveling interdimensionally, we do know that
there are
an infinite number of planets.
Yeah.
In the universe.
I mean, we have no idea how many of them are capable of supporting human-like
life or some
other kind of life or an infinite number of varieties of life.
And if that life can do what we've done and get to some part of its progression
where it's
capable of creating what we're calling artificial intelligence or super
advanced technology, why
wouldn't it come here?
Yes.
I have, I'm not just, I'm not discounting ET.
So that could be there too.
I think so, especially because of the ways in which the materials are being
manufactured
off planet, like the ones that we just saw that, you know, and that was
information when
when I met Tyler 2014 and now it's a full on thing that's happening, right?
So it's, it's a supercharged program of creating things that will help us off
planet.
I mean, certainly then, yeah, I think so.
I mean, but I don't know.
Right.
So I have to just be honest.
So it might be a bunch of different things happening all at the same time,
interdimensionally,
extraterrestrially, something from a distant galaxy that's figured out some new
method of
propulsion that's beyond our imagination that can visit.
And then also things that are coming here from other dimensions.
Yes.
And even recently somebody had, you know, yeah, well, I can't say any, I can't
say I'm
sorry.
I don't want to be that person that goes on your show and says, oh, I can't, I
can't say
that, but I probably, the most likely there are, if there's crash retrieval
part, you know,
crash retrievals here on earth, perhaps there are in space as well.
Do you, when they talk about inventions that emerged post-Roswell, that's one
of the points
of speculation is that we have back engineered something and that this led to
the creation
of fiber optics and a lot of other technologies that seem to emerge after that
time.
Yeah.
Part, so this question was prominent in my mind in 2012 when I met Jacques Vallée.
So I was already aware of his work, even as a person who hadn't studied UFOs or
even believed
in them.
Jacques Vallée is just one of these people, right, that you come across his
work and he's
fascinating.
So I thought it was strange that not only was he a person who was, you know,
pre-engineered
ARPANET, right?
He was on ARPANET, which is pre-internet.
He was creating that at the same time as being obsessed with UFOs and doing,
you know, being
a ufologist.
These things seemed that they had to be together, right?
There was something that, you know, what's going on here?
So, and I'm in touch with him often and he says a lot of things that are rather
cryptic,
but sometimes I ask him specifically, was what you were doing on ARPANET
related to back-engineered
UFO parts.
And then he'd say something like, there are many secrets in Silicon Valley,
something like
that.
Yeah.
Yeah, he's real cryptic.
He's kind of difficult to have a conversation with publicly.
Well, it does have a lot.
I guess there are lots of secrets in Silicon Valley, which is where he lives.
Yeah.
Another thing that was really fascinating about your book was you were talking
about how
much religion he studied.
Yes.
Yes.
That was really interesting.
So in the book, what I do is I uncover not just him, but Alan Hynek.
They were friends and they were both Rosicrucians, which is a form of, he might
not like me to
say this, but it's a form of mystical Christianity in a sense.
But a lot of Rosicrucians don't view their roots as Christian.
They look at it as Egyptian.
But it's basically, it's an esoteric tradition and it involves meditation.
I think it most likely involves this thing that you and I have been discussing
in this
the whole talk so far is the pineal gland thing, you know, the access point,
because
both of them believe in this kind of life, this meditating and things like that.
And so I included references.
Everything I say in my books, by the way, I pass to the person that I'm writing
the chapter
about.
So everything that I said about Jacques, I gave it to him beforehand and I said,
are you
okay with me saying this publicly?
And so it passed all the tests.
And I also talk about going to his apartment and seeing his library, which is
an amazing
library.
And he has stained glass from Chartres Cathedral.
And Chartres Cathedral is a special place for Rosicrucians, like a special
place of presence
of the sacred.
So, and he actually did those himself.
So he learned how to do stained glass from people at Chartres, by the way.
And yeah, just amazing.
And he had a lot of books on angels and fallen angels in that library.
Like almost like it was almost like going into the Vatican archive, going into
this place,
because these looked like first editions or close.
So, you know, really, really old books about this topic.
Fallen angels.
Yeah, I was pretty shocked when I had, when I went, I was, we were going to
have lunch and
talk about the crash site and maybe talk about, you know, what I learned from
Tyler and that
kind of thing.
And we went to lunch and then he said, do you want to see the library?
And I was like, yes, of course.
So I saw the handwritten documents from Project Blue Book.
And that was just going into the library.
That wasn't actually in the library.
Then when we got in there, I noticed a big bookcases of these books.
And of course, I was drawn to them.
And he said, he picked out one and he opened it and it was about angels.
And he said, this is the, you know, this is a book about angels.
And I could see that.
And I was looking at it.
I was like, wow.
And then I looked at the other bookshelf and that bookshelf was just as
impressive.
And then it was about fallen angels.
He said, oh, this one's about fallen angels.
And then he made a joke and he said, you can't have one without the other.
And I thought that, yeah, I thought that was really interesting.
That does seem to align with what we're talking about with like the struggle of
good and evil.
It does.
That's what he said too.
And I was actually shocked at that point.
I was like, wow.
So just, you know, I'm a professor of religion, you know, so I'm like, I'm
right about, you know,
my intuition was somehow confirmed.
And by the way, I think people, I think this should be, I'm not sure if this is
totally true,
but I believe he was the inspiration for the French character in Close Encounters
of the Third Kind.
I think so.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Professor of Religion Gives Her Take on the UFO Phenomenon

The Joe Rogan Experience.
What do you think the UFO phenomenon is?
Yeah, so I think first of all that there are a lot of different varieties of it.
But when we look at, like we were looking at the Francis of Assisi and the kind
of historical
things and the abductions and things like that, I think that that it's been
around for
a long time and that these are things that are in communication with us.
So I used what I do in my book, both the books that I wrote about this, is I go,
I talk to
people who I think represent thousands of people.
So each person in the book represents thousands, if not more, maybe many
thousands of people
who have had experiences and the ways in which they interpret them.
So all of the people seem to have had experiences where now what they want to
do is they actually
want to work for justice in different ways.
Like Jose, the veteran in my book, he's working with young people and helping
them deal with
being addicted to social media and things like that and helping them get
through life, which
is really hard right now.
And that's what he's doing.
And then you look at Dr. Whiteley, right?
So she's working in a space where she's trying to, you know, help people deal
with the fact
that they're seeing things that, you know, that could down planes and things
like that.
And she's helping people talk about that.
She's helping people.
Each person in, you know, is somehow doing what I'm suggesting that I think is
an out,
this kind of structural injustice that we see.
So I think that this is a transformational thing without the drugs is what's
going on,
like some kind of massive experience that people are having.
And now it's getting out and people are being able to talk to each other
through Reddit
communities and, you know, different types of social media.
So it is, it's, it's, we did see, you know, religions when they begin, they
become viral
at one point.
We've never seen it in an age where we have digital technology, but this is
what we're seeing
now.
What do you think the physical objects are?
Well, okay.
So this is something that's very interesting.
We just looked at the Shroud of Turin.
And I believe that there are these, I would call them, and this is just my own
non-scientific
term, interdimensional objects.
They're objects that have characteristics of our dimension and some other
dimension.
So some other dimension has the capability or something from some other
dimension has the
capability of transporting a physical object into our realm.
Or even imprinting onto a physical object.
Yeah.
How so?
Well, I don't know.
I mean, I think that's what...
What do you mean by, what does that mean, imprinting onto a physical object?
So with the Shroud of Turin, we see the imprint of, you know, the image and...
If it's real.
Yeah, if it's real.
But it's an anomalous object.
So we do have, from Gary Nolan, engineered objects that we don't know how they're
engineered.
But they definitely look like they're, you know, it's off planet.
I would call the kinds of things that we see in the historical record, interdimensional
types
of things.
Now, how?
I don't know, Joe.
Okay.
So I just don't know.
But I do think that scientists in the government know that these things exist
and they would like
to figure it out.
And so part of disclosure, the disclosure movement, is outsourcing this and
trying to get as many
people as possible to help in figuring it out.
What do you think when they use the term donations, what do you think the
purpose of that is?
If there is an object that is purposely released into our, you know, like I'm
sure you're aware
of cargo cults, right?
Yes.
So with cargo cults, for people that don't know, there's been some islands
during World War I
and World War II where planes landed there and they left.
And these people, they created these statues of these planes and they worshipped
them.
And they wanted them to come back.
Yes.
Yeah.
Because they got food and, you know, all kinds of wonderful things from the
planes.
Right.
Yeah.
Like they thought of them as deities.
Right.
So yeah, that in my field has been called the cargo cult, the UFO cargo cult,
right?
And obviously Tyler and James view these parts as, as donate, they called it
the donation site.
Right.
So giving it the idea that...
Is that just one theory?
Yeah.
That's just one theory.
Are there other theories that there's a biological organism that encounters a
lightning storm and
it actually crashes and there's physical bodies that are recovered?
Oh yeah.
There is that.
Yeah.
There's that.
Yeah.
What's your take on that?
Because that's one of the things that Grush talked about and some of the other
people talked
about that there, there are biological things that have been recovered.
Well, what impressed me about the way, about what he said was that he used the
term biologics
and I actually know that term because that's the same term that Tyler was
talking about
when he was creating materials in anti-gravity spaces on, on space shuttles and
such.
So I was wondering, cause David Grush does get his information from people in,
allegedly in
the programs, but he's never seen these materials that I know of.
I think he has some firsthand experience that he was not able to talk about
that he's alluding
to.
Okay.
I think, but this is a, this is recent and he's been very careful about how he
releases
this information and what he's able to release and not able to release.
And that, that I was like, okay, really?
I mean, I've not seen any, any bodies, nor have I seen intact craft, but I also
have had,
now remember, I don't have a clearance like he has, so I can actually talk
about what people
have told me.
I have had people tell me that, yes, Diana, there are intact craft.
I don't know.
I mean, maybe.
So I don't know, Joe.
Have you studied Bob Lazar?
Okay.
Yes.
I have always asked about Bob Lazar.
Yeah.
And I don't know, but I can tell you that people that I've met who are
associated with the programs
tell me that he's, he's, he's right.
Now I know his backgrounds and I know, you know, all the things I, I don't, I
don't have
an opinion one way or the other, but I can also say that a lot of times people
with very
disturbing backgrounds, you know, who could be easily discredited are given
information
and shown things and told things.
Well, I would think that that's sort of like a little escape clause.
Yeah, I think so.
I think it is.
I mean, the guy's obviously a genius and was obviously a propulsion expert and
put a fucking
jet engine on a Honda in like the 1980s.
He's a fascinating guy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, um, you know, he claims that there's some element, some element that
exists in other
places in the universe, which leads me to believe, well, not even to believe,
but like, so here's
the question.
Are some of these things from other planets?
Is that also in the equation?
I mean, just because something is traveling interdimensionally, we do know that
there are
an infinite number of planets.
Yeah.
In the universe.
I mean, we have no idea how many of them are capable of supporting human-like
life or some
other kind of life or an infinite number of varieties of life.
And if that life can do what we've done and get to some part of its progression
where it's
capable of creating what we're calling artificial intelligence or super
advanced technology, why
wouldn't it come here?
Yes.
I have, I'm not just, I'm not discounting ET.
So that could be there too.
I think so, especially because of the ways in which the materials are being
manufactured
off planet, like the ones that we just saw that, you know, and that was
information when
when I met Tyler 2014 and now it's a full on thing that's happening, right?
So it's, it's a supercharged program of creating things that will help us off
planet.
I mean, certainly then, yeah, I think so.
I mean, but I don't know.
Right.
So I have to just be honest.
So it might be a bunch of different things happening all at the same time,
interdimensionally,
extraterrestrially, something from a distant galaxy that's figured out some new
method of
propulsion that's beyond our imagination that can visit.
And then also things that are coming here from other dimensions.
Yes.
And even recently somebody had, you know, yeah, well, I can't say any, I can't
say I'm
sorry.
I don't want to be that person that goes on your show and says, oh, I can't, I
can't say
that, but I probably, the most likely there are, if there's crash retrieval
part, you know,
crash retrievals here on earth, perhaps there are in space as well.
Do you, when they talk about inventions that emerged post-Roswell, that's one
of the points
of speculation is that we have back engineered something and that this led to
the creation
of fiber optics and a lot of other technologies that seem to emerge after that
time.
Yeah.
Part, so this question was prominent in my mind in 2012 when I met Jacques Vallée.
So I was already aware of his work, even as a person who hadn't studied UFOs or
even believed
in them.
Jacques Vallée is just one of these people, right, that you come across his
work and he's
fascinating.
So I thought it was strange that not only was he a person who was, you know,
pre-engineered
ARPANET, right?
He was on ARPANET, which is pre-internet.
He was creating that at the same time as being obsessed with UFOs and doing,
you know, being
a ufologist.
These things seemed that they had to be together, right?
There was something that, you know, what's going on here?
So, and I'm in touch with him often and he says a lot of things that are rather
cryptic,
but sometimes I ask him specifically, was what you were doing on ARPANET
related to back-engineered
UFO parts.
And then he'd say something like, there are many secrets in Silicon Valley,
something like
that.
Yeah.
Yeah, he's real cryptic.
He's kind of difficult to have a conversation with publicly.
Well, it does have a lot.
I guess there are lots of secrets in Silicon Valley, which is where he lives.
Yeah.
Another thing that was really fascinating about your book was you were talking
about how
much religion he studied.
Yes.
Yes.
That was really interesting.
So in the book, what I do is I uncover not just him, but Alan Hynek.
They were friends and they were both Rosicrucians, which is a form of, he might
not like me to
say this, but it's a form of mystical Christianity in a sense.
But a lot of Rosicrucians don't view their roots as Christian.
They look at it as Egyptian.
But it's basically, it's an esoteric tradition and it involves meditation.
I think it most likely involves this thing that you and I have been discussing
in this
the whole talk so far is the pineal gland thing, you know, the access point,
because
both of them believe in this kind of life, this meditating and things like that.
And so I included references.
Everything I say in my books, by the way, I pass to the person that I'm writing
the chapter
about.
So everything that I said about Jacques, I gave it to him beforehand and I said,
are you
okay with me saying this publicly?
And so it passed all the tests.
And I also talk about going to his apartment and seeing his library, which is
an amazing
library.
And he has stained glass from Chartres Cathedral.
And Chartres Cathedral is a special place for Rosicrucians, like a special
place of presence
of the sacred.
So, and he actually did those himself.
So he learned how to do stained glass from people at Chartres, by the way.
And yeah, just amazing.
And he had a lot of books on angels and fallen angels in that library.
Like almost like it was almost like going into the Vatican archive, going into
this place,
because these looked like first editions or close.
So, you know, really, really old books about this topic.
Fallen angels.
Yeah, I was pretty shocked when I had, when I went, I was, we were going to
have lunch and
talk about the crash site and maybe talk about, you know, what I learned from
Tyler and that
kind of thing.
And we went to lunch and then he said, do you want to see