Name: Joe Rogan Experience #2109 - Abigail Shrier
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #2109 - Abigail Shrier' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2024-02-27. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #2109 - Abigail Shrier

It's great to see you
What was uh, what was it like the last time you did the show?
They tried to kick it off Spotify
Yeah, it was a very small noisy group of people by the way
It wasn't the the head people right if they tried to make it seem like there
was this big movement to get it kicked off Spotify
but when you examine what you were saying and
you know
Many more people are saying what you were saying. This was like what year was
this when you were on 2020 2020? Yeah
The it had sort of just started boiling. Yeah, you know, and now four years
later, it's
There's a lot of people pushing back. That's right
And I honestly I thought you were gonna never have me on your show because you
know, it was very I mean
They had ten meetings with the employees demanding that it be removed. I
thought Joe's gonna be so mad at me
No, they're wrong. They're wrong. They're wrong. They're every time someone
wants to stop discussions. They're wrong
They're wrong
especially when you want to try to stop discussions about a very serious and
permanent thing that people are advocating to do to children that is also very
profitable and it's a it's a dark weird
sort of a
Scenario that we're in here right now. That's unprecedented that no one's ever
experienced before and they're using terms like life-saving
Saving gender affirming care. Yeah instead of castration and and removing
breasts and hormones and it's it's a very very strange time
So I'm glad we had that podcast and I would have a hundred more of them
Okay, I think it's very important to talk about this and I think there's too
many people that are scared to talk about it
And that's why the stuff is getting so much traction and it's scary. It's scary.
It's scary. It's scary that people aren't willing to
Admit that children are very easily influenced. That's right
I think that's the scariest thing of all that people are afraid to just say the
truth. Yeah, and that's not a good world because we can fix most
Problems if we can talk about them. Yeah, yeah exactly when that's my my
position on anyone trying to stop you from talking about things
Yeah, you know, they're they're wrong. It's not it's not the way to do it
it's definitely not the American way and
It's not the way we've ever solved problems in this country and it'll you know
It's it's a bad thing when you can't be honest about things
and the reason why they want to try to do it is because they know that there's
too many people that agree with it and that these people have
Been silenced before so they'd like to bully them into silence. They like to
scare them into silence
They like to get them canceled and you know before Elon purchased Twitter you
used to be able to do that much more effectively
You know what the silencing? Yeah, the silence is so easy if you said I mean
look
Megan Murphy was kicked off of Twitter for years. That's right. Just for saying
a man is never a woman. That's right
And it look I mean, there's no question
I think that Elon taking over Twitter broke open the monopoly on a lot of
conversations
I I do think that had that effect and it's really important
I mean look if their position if the gender activist position was a good one
They wouldn't have to shut everyone up, right?
They wouldn't have to object. I mean, they took my book off target. They threw
a fit and target removed the book and
they did it because even though they have hundreds of
Trans celebratory books hundreds of celebrate books celebrating gender
transition for teenagers
Even one that was critical of it that was too much for them because they knew
it would break their monopoly on the narrative
Well, the the really scary thing is when you see these de transitioners get
attacked
That's that's terrifying. That's terrifying because that's just so it's so
cruel
It the the complete lack of compassion for someone that's done, you know as the
title of your book irreversal damage to their life
Forever, they'll never have children again. They'll never have breasts again.
And this
the fact that this is just a
part of this bizarre cult that a giant swath of our population is consumed by
right now
That's right. And they did they didn't let de transitioners be part of the
story
You know that there was a growing number of these women who are regretting
their transition and they had some and they were brave enough to speak up
But and that took real courage because they're talking about their own
experience or own damage their own bodies
I mean, they were the most courageous of all and
And they were they were treated horribly by the activists
Yeah, it's so dark like you don't want to think that people can make mistakes
Even if you think that people should be allowed to transition when they're
young
You don't think that some people are going to do it and regret it. That's
insane, right?
We think that everybody who goes through
Surgery to remove parts of their body because they feel like they're in the
wrong gender. You think all those people are going to be happy
That's insanity. Yeah
I mean it it's you know like a religion in the sense of a fund the fundamentalism
of belief against all evidence to the contrary
I mean these people believe this on faith
It was a creed and there was no disabusing them of this even when there was
growing evidence of thousands of young women regretting it
Well, finally now the New York Times is on board though, which is really
interesting
It is I saw someone commenting on Twitter and I think they're probably correct
and they said this is because the trial lawyers are involved now
And I think they're correct
I think this is why the New York Times has kind of shifted sides because I
think they realize
The lawsuits are coming and once a few of them are successful and they will be
it's going to get crazy
Well, I think that that is a part of it
But I don't think the lawsuits are going to solve it as easily as they did say
the repressed memory scandal
of prior eras and you know
The multiple does you know personality disorder, you know all these people who
thought they had repressed memory of various kinds of harm
and
We're imagining, you know, you know childhood molestation that didn't happen
and put you know that you're talking about like the the satanic stuff from
Yeah, from the 80s that whole Satan
I think that got reversed through lawsuits in part because they weren't
following clear medical
You know clear protocols of their profession the problem with the trend the
gender going after the gender regime through the courts and I'm in favor of it
Don't get me wrong
But the problem is that that the gender therapists that the therapists the
doctors were all following protocol when they transition a kid
To you know and cut up their bodies in various ways, you know incapacitated
them in various ways
They were actually following affirmative care, which is the official protocol.
So I just which is crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy
It's so crazy that there's so many things that we don't allow children to do
because we know that children can't really make
Lifelong decisions at the age of 11 and 12 and 13 but yet will let them in this
case. That's right
It's so nuts
Yeah, I you know when I look back on it, you know, there are a few I sort of
had a few there were a few sort of lessons of it
but one of the things that really stood out was that
Almost in every case there were medical professionals who should have known
better and very often therapists who should have known better
Encouraging the a young girl who was a little anxious or had some anxiety had
some depression encouraging her down this road as the solution
Yeah
But it's also not recognizing what we know about what happens to people when
they give them testosterone
So testosterone alleviates anxiety
Testosterone creates a feeling of euphoria, right?
It does a lot especially when you give it to someone in doses that their body
would never normally have that's right
That's right. And so what the girls would go on it and they would feel great
and they would become evangelists for testosterone
They would tell all their friends you got to do this. I feel great. All my
anxiety is gone
Of course now they may have a permanent five o'clock shadow
You know their voice change on their voice when they de transition that never
goes away. Yeah. Yeah, it's very dark
It's very dark and I would have never imagined this I would have never imagined
that before cove it
I had a completely different opinion of the medical establishment
My opinion of the medical establishment is that they were there to help people.
That's it. I never questioned it
I questioned the motives of some of the pharmaceutical drug companies that were
trying to sell drugs
But I felt like the medical establishment always figured that out eventually
and then they they banned those drugs
The ones that were harmful, but that's not real. That's not really what happens.
It's a money game
the whole thing is a money and influence game and it's run by very powerful
people and
No one wants to think that those same
Factors are at play when it comes to gender transition, but you know I've shown
people the map of gender
Transition clinics in 2007 yeah versus gender transition clinics in 2023 and it's
fucking insane. Yeah
It's insane. Yeah hundreds and hundreds of new gender clinics all across the
country
you know
The industry expanded so rapidly with very little oversight and it was just how
fast could we get these drugs to these kids? Yeah
So, yeah, I mean I agree with you there wasn't enough oversight
But there also weren't enough good people speaking up a lot of the best doctors
who are like
I'm I didn't enter the medical profession to do this
They they went silent or they referred to other they said why don't you you
know, let me refer you to a specialist
Well, actually the gender surgeons often, you know weren't more weren't even,
you know adequate to the task because it's very very complicated surgery
You know involving you know transferring peripheral nerves and whatnot
So it's not easy surgery depending on which surgery you're talking about very
often
They weren't even the most qualified surgeons doing the surgery. So you had a
lot of you know surgeries that didn't go quite right
Well, none of them go quite right. I mean that's what's dark about it. I mean
you're you're you're creating a new thing
You know whether you're creating a penis or whether you're turning of a penis
into a vagina
You're this is not it. This is not like heart surgery
This is not something they've been doing forever that they have this long
history of doing it successfully
And they know exactly how to do it correctly. The whole thing is very twisted
Yeah, the rates of you know all kinds of things going wrong. I mean, you know,
yeah, you know if you talk about the you know
Then you know creation of the neo phallus the the ones you take a vagina to
make something like a penis
the the number, you know getting it to you know
urine to go in a stream as opposed to a spray or
Making it so that the person can have an erection then a strong enough erection
to actually penetrate
These are all require separate, you know separate surgeries very often
Very often it doesn't go quite right then there's all kinds of complications
with the surgeries. I mean I've talked to people who've been really butchered
so
So again, what was it like for you?
Did you expect when you wrote that book? Did you expect the kind of blowback
that you experienced? Like what did you expect when you wrote the book?
I obviously you felt the need to express this and you felt the need to share
this information because
You you recognize that there's like this contagion the social contagion that
seems to be happening
It's a big part of what's going on and a lot of these kids are very easily
influenced a lot of them are on the spectrum and
They're being led down this road. So you write this book. What did you expect?
Was going to be the reaction to it? Well, most books 