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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #2130 - Coleman Hughes' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2024-04-03. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #2130 - Coleman Hughes

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What's up, Goldman?
Good to see you.
I'm good, man.
Good to see you again.
What's cracking?
Well, I'm good, you know.
You're great.
You got a new book.
Got a new book.
End of Race Politics, Arguments for a Colorblind America.
Yeah, I saw you on The View.
Yeah.
Yeah, so that's been overwhelming my past couple of years.
Yeah, is that annoying?
No.
No?
No, no.
I mean, it's just, when I was on there, I really had no idea how it was going
to land with the audience.
So I just went in there, did my thing.
I had no idea what to expect.
I didn't know who Sunny Hostin was.
I actually still really don't know.
So I wasn't expecting necessarily for her to kind of try to ambush me in that
way and attack my character in that way.
And I responded to it in the moment as I do.
And I didn't expect it to go as viral as it did, but I think it arguably went
more viral than anything I've ever done.
It's hard for me to totally tell, but I've just got people messaging me almost
nonstop for like four days afterwards.
Well, it is the show that people love to hate.
Yes, that's true.
They get so much hate watching and hate watching viral clips of them saying
ridiculous things.
I mean, it is a rabies infested hen house.
And at the same time, it seemed like the most interesting part was their
audience seemed to be on my side.
And that's their audience.
Yes.
Well, their audience is not really their audience.
Their audience is a group of people they bring in to watch television shows.
I don't know if you've ever seen audiences before for TV shows, but a lot of
them are paid.
They're paid to be there because they have to guarantee that there's going to
be people there.
So there's services that you hire.
And when the show gets really, really popular, you know, like Letterman or
something like that, obviously it has its own fan base.
Right.
Those people will try to get tickets before anybody else does.
And in that case, they probably don't need to use a service anymore.
They just get actual fans.
But arguably, like, the fans, the real fans of The View that are like, oh,
these ladies are on point.
Most of those people can't leave the house.
Like, they're probably immobile.
Right, right, right, because their mom's taking their kids to school and that's,
yeah.
It's a very strange show, but it's fun to watch.
It's just fun to watch them.
It's good entertainment.
Yeah.
Undoubtedly.
Well, they're just, you know, it's interesting because I think Sunny is very
intelligent, but she's ideologically captured.
Right.
You know, I think the other ones, there's a couple of the other ones, I don't
have to name any names, are just very dull-minded.
But I think Sunny's not one of them.
I think she's smart, but captured.
Sure, I think she came into it with an agenda.
Of course.
You know.
They do everything with an agenda.
Yeah.
You know.
She came into it, it seems, really wanting to paint me as someone that has been
co-opted by the right wing.
Yeah.
And I don't know how much research she had done into me.
She claimed to have read my book twice, which is almost certainly not true.
Yeah.
Because she was totally mis-summarizing.
When did the book come out?
February.
The odds are very low.
Very low, right?
Yeah.
Because-
Very low.
Think of how many guests they have on their show, how much time she has.
How many things you have to do, family, obligations, two books.
What is it, about 250 pages?
Something like that, yeah.
I don't think so.
Yeah.
But, I mean, I might be wrong.
I mean, do you have an audio book available?
I do, yeah.
I read it myself.
Maybe she did it at double speed.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Twice.
So, I sounded like Ben Shapiro the whole time.
Have you ever listened to Ben Shapiro on, like, 1.5 times?
No.
It's got to be ridiculous.
Yeah, it's insane.
Ben Shapiro should debate Destiny.
Oh, my God.
No, they did.
Get the two of them together.
They did debate.
Did they really?
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
About what?
Who hosted them?
Was it Lex?
Was it?
I could be getting that wrong.
But I think Lex hosted a debate, like, two months ago.
Well, he had a debate a couple of months ago, but it was a Palestine.
No, no, that was separate.
I also saw that.
Oh, they did.
That was, like, the four hours.
Yeah, there you go.
That guy debates everybody.
Yeah.
It's so ridiculous.
He does a Wikipedia search, and then just starts going after things like he's
an expert.
Yeah.
It's just a fun time.
It's a really fun time.
Yeah.
It's entertaining.
A fun time for watching people flail.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, but I think the problem with that show is that show has this very
specific ideological bubble in which they operate in.
You know, and they always bring on a token conservative woman, and they yell
over her and silence her.
And, you know, they did that with Meghan McCain, and they did that with the,
what is that other blonde woman from Survivor?
Do you remember her, Jamie?
She was always yelling.
I mean, it's just, it's a bizarre show.
So, we had eight minutes, and America's approach to race, pretty big topic,
pretty important topic.
I think the way you, before you start, I think the way you described it is
brilliant, and the way we should all look at it.
Of course, you're going to see race.
Yes.
The idea of being colorblind is ridiculous.
But treat everybody.
They're just human beings.
Yeah.
Everybody's just individuals.
That's right.
That's what we should all hope for.
That's right.
Yeah, there's been this common phrase, I don't see race, that's equated with
colorblindness.
And the point in my book is I want to say, get rid of that.
Of course, we see race, certainly in America, in the West.
You could argue about whether children really see race, but past a certain
point, we see race.
The point is not to pretend you don't see it.
It's to say, you know, you're a white guy.
I'm a black and Hispanic guy.
We notice that.
We're not going to pretend it's not there.
But whenever it matters, I'm going to try to treat you like an individual based
on your
personal qualities.
And we're going to ask the government to do the same.
Get race out of public policy.
If you want to help disadvantaged people, do that on the basis of class.
100%.
And understand that when you see these incentives that are put into
corporations, these are methods
of control.
And that's what's going on when you see things like DEI initiatives.
You're not really making the world a better place.
You're just allowing these financial institutions to enact control over
corporations.
And it's a really shifty, weird way they're doing it by making it seem like
they're trying
to make the world a better, more equal place.
And then there's some people who are good intentioned, but have a very narrow
perspective
and a very limited amount of information that they're operating under that will
try to pretend
that these things are overall good, are net positive.
Right.
And Sonny Hostin may be one of those people.
But, you know, so we had eight minutes to deal with this topic on one of the
biggest
platforms in the country, and especially an audience that isn't my typical
audience.
If anything, the views audience is really who needs to hear my message the most.
And Sonny decided to take up a few minutes of that precious eight minutes and
attack me
as someone who's been co-opted by the right and someone who's a charlatan.
Did she use the term charlatan?
She did.
It's funny because I actually didn't notice it in real time.
I kind of went in one ear and out the other.
How did she say it?
She said something like, you know, a lot of people in the black community,
implicitly
herself included, think that you've been co-opted by the right and that you're
a charlatan.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
And I explained to her, I've only voted twice, both for Democrats, Hillary and
Biden, very
open to voting for Republicans.
So I'm a political independent, and I'm only young enough to have voted twice.
I'm an analyst at CNN, and I write for the Free Press, which is Barry Weiss's.
Yeah.
And I'm independent in all of those endeavors, and I patiently explained that
and then basically
asked her to go back to the topic that we're here to discuss.
Yeah.
Well, it's a dumb way of addressing a thing and to immediately say that someone's
been co-opted
with no evidence whatsoever.
There's nothing about anything that you say that seems right wing.
You know, you're just objectively looking at these subjects and giving a very
intelligent
and measured opinion of them.
That's just not, and just because some people who happen to vote Republican may
agree with
you.
Yeah.
Like that's a ridiculous statement that you're co-opted.
I think you're probably one of the least co-opted people I've ever talked to.
You're very open-minded, and you're very objective.
I try to be.
I try to be.
But, you know, I would argue even if I were co-opted hypothetically, that doesn't
make my
argument here right now wrong.
Right.
Right?
Because people that are co-opted sometimes say true things.
Yes.
So even if I were, I would say it's still, it's an ad hominem attack.
It's to the person rather than to the argument.
Yes.
So let's get on to the issue.
Yes.
And I think people, the part of the reason it went viral is because what people
have told
me is you very rarely see someone who gets a character attack on a big TV
platform calmly
expose it as evidence-free and then just move back to the topic.
Yeah.
Well, that was beautiful that you did that.
And that's how everybody should approach these things.
And the problem is that's not what people want to do.
What they want to do is engage in argument and try to win.
And it's not really about having an open mind and listening to what this person
has to say
and trying to figure out whether or not it resonates with you.
Instead, they're just trying to win and trying to win in this weird sound bitey
way.
You know, those platforms, whether it's the view or any number of these panel
platforms are
so inherently flawed just in the, just the way it's formatted.
You only have a small amount of time.
You have all these people talking and, you know, it's just a, they, they can't
compete with
internet shows because internet shows are free.
Yeah.
It's, it's just, I don't mean free, like you don't have to pay for it.
I mean free, like they're free to talk about anything.
There's not a producer in your ear.
There's not someone saying we have to cut the commercial.
There's not, you know, executive meetings before talking about an agenda that
you would
like to like this, we have to hammer him on this.
And this is, this is really important with the election coming up and this and
that.
I'm like, God, the whole election coming up thing freaks me out.
Cause I think everybody's in this weird, like pre battle anxiety stage, you
know, and they,
everything is life or death.
And this goddamn phrase, it gets tossed around every five minutes.
It's just a threat to democracy.
Everything is a threat to democracy.
Except things that actually probably are a threat to democracy.
You see people talking about the threats to democracy and they ignore
intelligence communities
censoring social media, which should be terrifying to people.
Right.
It should be terrifying to people because this could happen on the left, on the
right.
It could happen for a number of reasons.
It could happen for reasons that would be terrible for your life.
Yeah.
RFK was on CNN, I think yesterday, and he said something that I think I've said
before
and privately and I feel, which is that I think America would survive four more
years of Trump
or four more years of Biden.
Yes.
Truthfully, I think America and the Republic is strong enough to survive either.
Neither one of them is a very good option in my view.
I think we're given two very bad options, but I also think don't move to Canada.
I think we're going to be okay.
Don't move to Canada.
Canada's even worse.
Yeah.
Canada's a mess.
