Name: Joe Rogan Experience #2142 - Christopher Dunn
Uploaded: 2024-04-30T17:00:27.000Z
Description: Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #2142 - Christopher Dunn' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2024-04-30. Transcript available.

Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #2142 - Christopher Dunn' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2024-04-30. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #2142 - Christopher Dunn

The Joe Rogan experience
All right, thanks for doing this sir, I appreciate it. Oh, you're welcome
I've enjoyed many of your videos online. So I'm fascinated by these theories
that you have and
So that's one so I'm excited. I'm excited that you're here. Could you please
first of all could you tell everybody what your background is like?
What did what did you start off doing professionally?
I started as a an apprentice in a engineering company in Manchester, England
and
Worked through the apprenticeship
Received my journeyman papers
Worked for a couple more years in England and then I was recruited by an
aerospace company in America and
Emigrated to America and
And what did you do for this aerospace company?
Well, I started out as a lathe turner. That was my specialty. So what a lay
turner a lathe turner? Yeah. Yeah, right
So I was a lathe hand, right? Mm-hmm. So I operated
You know horizontal lays vertical a's
In England, you know, they had what they call them vertical boring mills and
And in the states you have to learn a different language right there the
cultural differences between right? So you pick up different
Terminologies for things like they call over here. They call it a vertical
turret lathe in England. They call it a
vertical boring mill
And so you're working with machines and
When did you come up with this theory about the pyramid?
Well, actually I'd been in the states for a while it was I came over in 1969
and
In 1977 I picked up Peter Tompkins book secrets of the Great Pyramid and
I started to examine that book and
And one of the things that Tompkins he asked a very significant question in
that book and he said does the Great Pyramid enshrine the lost science?
You know is the Great Pyramid a
Product of that science does it reflect that science and I took that question
very seriously and
That question was in in my mind as well as I read through the book and then I
started to
Explore
Some of the references that he provided in the bibliography
One of them was the work of William Flinders Petrie
And
He described
Lathes being used in ancient Egypt. He described very large
Coring drills up to 18 inches in diameter
And he
also
Claims that they were they were using circular saws
When he's describing this like what kind of metal would they be using well?
That's the thing
the question
Really demands that you explore all
methods
That you are able to
When you
satisfy
satisfy
the
Historical record say the archaeological record and you say okay, I'm going to
try this
Well, that's not going to work
That won't work. So we'll try this. We'll we'll keep
Improving our methods and tools until we arrive at a solution to the art to
explaining the artifact
That was the that's the important thing. That's basically
The demands on a manufacturing engineer which I eventually became so you know
if a customer comes in and
They bring a part
To the company and said I want you to make one just like this
What does the what do we do? Well, we have to know what it this is and
But and to do that you take measurements you determine materials
How it was manufactured?
You look for tool marks to see what processes may have been involved in it
whether there were dyes
Whether there's machining marks in areas
You look at the welds
Did they weld some parts? Did they braze other parts and then of course the
geometries?
and
Basically, that's your model. Let's say okay. I've got to make something just
like this
Right, but when you're making some like if you're looking at say
some of the stone work that was done the pyramid where there's
Not in the pyramid but in some of the quarries where you see these core
drill holes, right?
Like how would you reverse engineer that like how would you figure out what
could possibly do that?
Well, that's the interesting question and
It's a it's one that's been a huge
Debate going on about that and the it got really goes back to
1984 and I had published an article
Called advanced machining in ancient Egypt question mark and
It was published in analog science fiction science fact magazine
In August of 1984 so you've been at this a long time
It's yeah before you were born I was in high school
Yeah, you were yeah, I was junior in high school. I wasn't
so
it was a
And you know Stanley Schmidt Dr. Stanley Schmidt who's the editor of analog
very
respected editor selected it for publication and we went through it, you know,
the editorial processes suggested changes and
Stuff like that and and then it was it went out
and so what did you when you look at like the core the drill holes the vases
are another like very fascinating and
real
Gigantic mystery as to how those were constructed and we'll talk about those as
well
Is that what it looks like that's a model of one?
Yeah, um and but the core holes itself I had we had a debate recently with
Graham Hancock and Flint dibble and one of the things that dibble had suggested
was that they had done something with sand and
That that was how they were able to do this with copper and sand and they were
able to drill
Does that make sense to you?
Well, I mean
I've heard that
The theory about how they were done and I know that there has been work done?
To prove that that theory is cool is the correct one
But central to explaining at the actual core
The if you go back and you read Petrie he described a spiral groove
around a granite core and
He said that it had a like a pitch of a hundred thousands per revolution of the
drill and
so
That's what I was going on
When I claimed well, what kind of a process?
Would you need to can I can I stop you there when you say a pitch of a thousandth
per yeah for every revolution of the drill?
Mm-hmm it sinks into the granite a hundred thousand seven inch
Okay, so because of that, you know that this thing has to be operating at a
certain speed not necessarily
Rotational speed but the penetration rate so which each with each rotation it
will go how long how far a hundred thousand seven inch
Which is almost at one-eighth of an inch
So that's pretty impressive when you're talking about solid granite correct?
Yeah
Um and that probably wouldn't be possible with copper and sand?
No
It seems like
Sand and copper just are not abrasive enough
No, I I contacted a company
That specialized in drilling granite and I asked them
how many how what is the feed rate?
How many how what is the feed rate?
That one hundred thousandth of an inch would be the feed rate of the trail
What is the feed rate of your drills when you're drilling into granite?
And I got a response from him and he said
Generally, you know
Our drills they're diamond
They we they rotate around 900 revolutions per minute
And the penetration rate is about two tenths of an inch
uh per revolution
So two tenths
Of an two ten thousandths of an inch per revolution. Oh two ten thousand two
ten thousand. I'm sorry. Yeah, I misspoke
so
uh
Two ten thousandths of an inch is like
Five hundred times
Smaller than
One hundred thousandths of an inch
Wow, so these drills that they used in egypt were capable of drilling
with each revolution
500 times more than modern diamond drills that were used by people who cut into
granite
That penetration rate. Yeah, it was 500 times great. So it might have been
operating a slower revolution
But when it's going through its full revolution, it's much more effective. That's
what I that's what I concluded in
Now is this in it was sorry
But is this in multiple different drill holes or is it one individual
sample that they found that seems to operate at this depth per revolution?
There have been
inspections on several different cores and have they all yielded similar
results and they have
They have all revealed that the
The groove is a spiral in other words, it's a continuous spiral around the core
The more most recent examination of the those cores was in
2018 by two aerospace engineers
eric wilson and
Josh gear and
And they
And they
Asked the petri museum in london permission
To examine the the cores in their collection the petri core number seven, which
is the most famous core
And the one that has drawn the most heated kind of debate about can we see what
that looks like jimmy can you find that one
petri core number seven
it's on that uh
yeah
Because this to me and the vases obviously and of course the construction the
pyramid itself, right?
They're also the cement symmetry of the faces, right?
There's so many things that are so mind-blowing about
Whatever they did and how they did it. It's it's right forget about all the
mysteries
right
Just what we know in terms of okay, so these are these are these two core
samples these are these two cores
No, they're the same one
and they're from lost technologies of ancient egypt
And essentially uh, what happened was the uh, there was a book written. I think
it was in 1999. It was by
Chris Ogilvy herald and ian larson and it's called geezer the truth
And so what they did is they had contacted or they had
Associates that went into the feature museum and examined the core
To see if it was actually a spiral. So they took photographs of it and they
examined this and they examined those photographs
And they said no, they're horizontal now
There's a big difference when you talk about a horizontal groove, right?
Uh and a spiral groove
And so I was like, okay, uh, I suspend all assertions
As far as the the methods that I proposed for how it may have been done
Uh, I need to go and examine that item
myself
And so I booked a flight to england and uh, I
A friend of mine in cambridge, uh picked me up at the airport nick anus and we
uh went to
the picture museum and I examined the core
The the method I used was to just wrap a simple
Cotton thread around it
So you just followed the groove with the thread with the thread, but I was
wearing uh
Rubber gloves
Well, yes, I was wearing rubber gloves, but I was also wearing a a visor with
uh
Lenses in it that gave 10 times
Oh, okay, so you could really see where the grooves are
Yeah, you you would find you would find uh
Find those items in any tool tool makers
So if the lines were horizontal you would go around in a circle then you'd have
to cross over the ridge to hit to the next circle
Yeah, but in this case it was continuous. No, you know, I mean
It was continuous, right? So it's so how did they miss that?
That seems like this is such an important piece of history such a fascinating
thing to examine look at this mystery
You have this granite core, right?
How do they do it? There's lines on it
Are they horizontal or are they a spiral, right?
And then they just go it's horizontal with
And then you come along with string and you're like no, it's a spiral, right?
Like how did how does someone screw that up?
Yes, I mean they would say uh that I screwed it up obviously
But the thing is joe
Is that you know when you're conducting research anybody whether you're a
scientist or just a you know joe blow in the tool room
And you are you say okay
This is what I found and these are the methods I used and these are the results
Okay, right, so you said you describe your experiment
You lay it out and you explain in detail how you did it wouldn't with today's
technology wouldn't it be really easy to scan it?
Well, it is now. Yeah, yeah, and then they would so have they
Done that have they definitively proven one way or the other?
There I don't think there is a really high quality scan that
Would be necessary. I mean i've learned a little bit about scanning. It was
just being introduced into manufacturing
When I retired just just before I retired we we started to
Look into it and we bought this white light scanning
system and
but that now
The systems now are so advanced
And you would feed it through ai and it would tell you exactly
Well, you yeah, I mean you basically you would
You could you could slice it dice examine it any way you wish but
You need to have qualified people to do it not not anybody with that's not
qualified
Could I go in that right so
Either way this these cores and t