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Joe Rogan Experience #2195 - Andrew Huberman

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Mr. Huberman, how are you, sir?
Good to see you.
Good to see you.
So what were you just saying about dog breeds that, like, we're talking about
Carl, like
the little bulldog breeds have more Mastiff than Wolf?
Yeah, so...
So Mastiff is a different thing?
Well, so...
Don't they all come from Wolves?
Yeah, they all originate from Wolves, but then dog selection has been twofold,
mainly
for phenotype, like morphology, the shape, we call it, and then temperament,
right?
So there's this chart, it might be a little hard to find online, about the dosing
of Wolf
versus Mastiff genetics, essentially.
And there's a bunch of other things woven into dog genetics.
First of all, cool point, dogs are among, I don't know if they are the most,
maybe whales
are the most, but they are among the greatest variation in body size within a
given species.
You think of Chihuahua and Great Dane, and it looks like it's dosing of the
genes controlling
IGF-1, which makes sense, growth hormone, but kind of wild, right?
Like, we got some big humans and some smaller humans, but...
Not like dogs.
Not like dogs.
Chihuahuas, and then what are those enormous shepherd dogs?
Those, what are those ones, those insane dogs they used to fight off wolves?
What the fuck are those things called?
Those gigantic hairy things?
You know what I'm talking about?
We've talked about them before.
They're terrifying looking dogs.
Yeah, I mean, just the...
What's it called?
Oh my goodness.
Oh yeah, those things.
What the fuck is that thing?
What is that called again?
But we've seen it before.
Doesn't it say the name of the dog?
I don't know why it's not saying it.
Well, find the name of those dogs, because there's...
Brian Callen knows all this shit.
Right, so I have a colleague at Stanford, Sue McConnell, who...
Jozo?
Jozo dogs?
No, that's not it.
There's a name for them, though.
Oh, Tibetan Mastiff.
Tibetan Mastiff.
Yeah.
They're really furry, and they're like 250 pounds.
Look at that puppy.
That's seven weeks old.
That's so crazy.
I wonder how many they have in the litter.
How could they have very many?
Yeah, it's gotta be just a few.
Poor mama.
So, I have this colleague at Stanford, Sue McConnell.
She's won Best in Show at some of the big events for poolies.
She breeds horses, and she's into that whole...
What's a poolie?
The poolies are the ones that look like Rastafarian dogs.
You know, their eyes are covered.
They're amazing.
They're amazing.
And she had this chart on her door.
I was going to meet with her about something.
She handles a lot of undergraduate education at Stanford.
And I see this chart, and the chart essentially shows the dosing of kind of the
original wolf
line genes versus more Mastiff-heavy genetic background.
And there are a lot of breeds on this chart.
But it essentially shows up in the following way.
The dogs that are more sight and scent, right, and with longer snouts...
Like a shepherd.
Like a shepherd.
Have more heavy dosing of the wolf genes still in them.
Then you get to the shorter snout, kind of snub-nosed like the French Bulldog,
the English Bulldog,
and some Mastiff breeds, pugs, right?
And the amount of wolf in them is like nil to none.
And then what's happened...
But wait a minute.
But they all start off as wolves.
So they have some genes that relate to the wolf origin lineage, right?
But over time, they've been bred...
For instance, the English Bulldog.
But all dogs originally come from wolves.
Yes, that's my understanding as well.
Even Mastiffs.
That's right.
That's my understanding.
But then as they were cross-bred with different dogs, right?
So for instance, like the English Bulldog, that line came from the crossing of
essentially
pug, like short snout, right?
But with Mastiffs or with dogs with heavy Mastiff genetic dosing.
Why?
Well, the idea was the short snout gives them a good lever for holding on to
things,
right?
And the Mastiff genes lead to, and we know this for sure, both of the droopiness
of the
face, it also relates to less presence of pain receptors in the front of the
body.
Okay, so if you've ever had a Bulldog, but you know their feet can be really
sensitive,
but their face, you can hold on to those jowls.
My Bulldog, Costello, would go picking up stuff at the beach and he'd
occasionally get
a fish hook in his mouth and it looks super painful and he's like, oh, you know?
So not very many pain sensors in the face.
They have a disruption or a mutation in the gene that controls the elasticity
of skin.
That's why they have the droopiness.
And they are brachycephalic, short snout.
That's why they're not very good breathers and they essentially have sleep apnea.
That's why they have a bunch of problems.
They snore like a motherfucker.
They do.
So they do snore a lot.
I can attest.
Like Carl does.
It's crazy.
And so what were dogs being selected for?
Well, unless you're showing dogs, dogs were selected for the kind of work they
were capable
of doing, like sheepdogs are great herders, this kind of thing.
But when people essentially designed bread up and crossbred to get the English
Bulldog or
the old English Bulldog, which doesn't have as much of an underwrite.
So I had an old English Bulldog.
So whereas the English Bulldog is elbows out.
So inward rotation, the thing we're all supposed to not do and underwrite.
The old English Bulldog looks like this.
It looks more like a pit bull.
Looks more like a pit bull.
And they were originally used for bull baiting, for grabbing onto the nose of
the bull, getting
the bull super aggressive and then being able to let go and get called off and
coming back
to their to their protector.
And then basically then it was for it was to rile up the bull, right, for bullfighting.
So you can still find some of this stuff online.
You can find some old descriptions, in some cases, even some old videos.
But of course, now bull baiting with dogs is not allowed, right?
Dog fighting, everybody looks down on.
But then if you start asking about the toy breeds, what were the toy breeds,
quote unquote,
designed for or bred for?
They were basically designed to sit next to you.
Some of them will seek out, you know, like the terrier breeds will find vermin,
right?
They'll go find rats.
They're really good ratters, actually.
Yeah, Jack Russells are great.
Jack Russells are great ratters.
The West Highland Terriers, the Westies, the Cairn Terriers, they're always,
they're really
great hunters.
For little things, right?
And the amazing thing is that when you start looking at the different breeds,
it was basically
human selecting on the basis of mostly behavior and phenotype shape and
thinking, oh, like
I want a smaller dog that will just sit near me.
Or I want a small dog that will, that will like kill rats and sit near me.
No, I want a big dog that's going to guard.
So you start breeding for pain tolerance.
I start breeding for loyalty and aggression.
And a guy that I think was on your podcast a long time ago, Sam Sheridan.
In A Fighter's Heart, there's a great chapter where he talks about, I think it's
dogfighting
in the Philippines.
And he talks about how brutal that sport is, which indeed it is.
But he talks about the love between the owner and the dog can predict.
And of course, the dog and the owner, it's reciprocal, one presumes that the
strength of that relationship
predicts how hard the dog will fight for the owner.
And he uses this as kind of a parallel construction for why, and you tell me if
this is true or
not, that many of the fatalities in boxing were the consequence of sure, 15
round as opposed
to 12 round fights.
But also when the corner man or the coach was the parent.
And so it gets into this very complicated psychology.
I actually think that's a really terrific book because I think it speaks to a
lot of really
interesting aspects of bonding between humans, bonding in that case between
animals and humans.
Of course, dogfighting, like I don't know if there are many things that people
look down
upon as much as they look down upon dogfighting, but he speaks to the
relationship between the
dog and the owner as a loving one, which was super surprising to me.
Anyway, that's a bit of a tangent, but I don't know.
Maybe it's possible to find that chart.
I don't want to send you on a ridiculous expedition, but if you just say it's
sort of jeans, that's
a simple one.
Okay.
This one, the one I'm thinking about is a vertical one that was in Science
Magazine or Scientific
American, but it's wild.
Again, I don't want to send you on an expedition that has us paused, but yeah,
sorry about that.
No worries, but it's just, we get a rough understanding of it all.
Yeah.
So now when I see like, okay, like a collie, like I see a collie down there, I
think long
snouts are probably has a better nose than a, than a Mastiff breed.
Are the, you can ask an owner, how good is their vision?
Are they a sight hound or a scent hound?
And of course that they're both, but some dogs.
Like I'm really interested now in part because of you and campaigns and others
about dogs
that hunt or go on hunts and like the coon hound breeds are amazing.
Yeah.
I've always wanted a red bone coon hound.
Their ears waft up smell.
That's why they're so long.
Yeah.
I didn't know that.
Yeah.
The reason why they have those long floppy ears is as they're running, their
ears are wafting
up smell and it gives them a better sense of the, the, the chase.
Oh, amazing.
Yeah.
I read, um, this, uh, incredible description of why dog scent and sense of
smell is so much
better than ours.
There's a guy named Noam Sobel who's been on my podcast.
He's over in Israel who claims that human olfaction is just as good as dog olfaction.
But how do they, how do they outdo us?
The frequency of sniffs.
And this is really cool.
You know, those little notches on the side of the nose, like our nostrils look
more or
less symmetric.
They have those little notches.
They create, they create little vortices for the dog so that the scent stick
around.
They're actually getting longer exposure to a scent.
So when they, they're getting something like 10 or 20 X, the exposure to the
scent in the
olfactory bulb and are able to assess both directionality, they can do right
nostril, left
rear nostril.
They can sense odor plumes to steer in one direction or another.
But Noam has done these crazy experiments when he was back at Berkeley where he
had people's
hands mitted, eyes covered.
So they can't sense touch.
They can't see everything's covered and they can follow a scent of chocolate
buried seven
inches below the ground.
Yes.
And you can see this, this you can find if you say, uh,
uh, uh, tracking, sorry, Jamie, my goal wasn't to come here and send you on
these.
These people have a nose like Ari Shaffir?
Uh, oh boy.
Or Adrian Brody.
Oh my.
Um, if you say, uh, kind of Berkeley chocolate, uh, tracking, uh, Sobel or
something like that,
it should come up.
So he would do these aerial views of these people tracking these scents on the
ground.
And it turns out people are really good at this.
They can track a scent.
Um, yeah.
Sniffers show that humans can track scents and that two nostrils are better
than one.
Okay.
So if you, but if you go images, I think you'll probably through the grass.
Yeah.
If you go images and then I'll lay off the, they will attract scents.
So if you go to images, uh, damn it.
And you just say, uh, Berkeley, just say, there it is.
Right.
So they compared the tracking of a scent hound of a, of a bloodhound to human
tracking of
a scent buried, uh, in the case of the set of the bloodhound, it wasn't buried.
So that person, what do they have a mask on?
Yeah.
They got a mask on their hands are covered with thick gloves.
They can only use the only, the only thing exposed are their nostrils.
And there, but that line, that yellow line is not a line with a bunch of
chocolate on
it.
It's buried below the