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Joe Rogan Experience #2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya

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I was like, that will live in infamy.
It is the best clip because he's like a totally different person.
Well, it's what he really is.
But he really is.
Yeah, it's like the Ellen thing, you know, it's like.
I mean, he really did lose his shit there.
Oh, it was like, weirdly.
You know, it wasn't like, I got the Christian Bale one.
Because like, he's in characters, intense scenes.
Some guy's fucking around the background.
Like, God damn it, stop fucking around.
I get that.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, he's in this frenzy of this intense scene.
But what is fucking, what is Bill doing?
Republican talking points on Fox News.
No, that was a different time.
It was when he was current affair.
It's when he's doing like, gossip and stuff.
Oh, that's right.
He was a gossip guy.
He was like an Entertainment Tonight type guy.
Inside Edition.
One of those deals.
Inside Edition.
Oh, is that what it was?
That's what it's called.
Inside Edition.
Ah, yeah.
And fucking those things.
They never go away.
It's such a weird environment, the left and right.
There's no like centrist news source on television.
There's no like, this is probably what's going on, news source.
It's always one or the other.
And it's like you're living in a bipolar person's brain.
You know, I think like part of what's happened is we used to have news and you
could make a good living in news.
And, you know, journalists were really sort of the top of the social hierarchy
in some way, shape or form, because they were this check and balance.
And then somewhere along the way, this business model focused people on clicks
and nobody told the rest of the world that the underlying incentives were going
to change.
And so that's where you find yourself, where there's very little news, I think.
There's a lot of opinion.
And then the problem with opinion is that feeds the outrage machine.
And that's the, you know, the clickometer.
The clickometer doesn't go high when you're like, hey, guys, I studied this
equation.
Right.
There's a 50 percent chance of this.
Nobody cares about that.
It's either like it's totally, totally bad or it's totally, totally good
because it just it amps people up.
And that's that's a real bummer because I think like you you don't know what to
think anymore.
Well, it's also a completely novel new thing that we weren't prepared for.
So before there was social media and online news, no one was prepared for the
world of the algorithm.
No one was prepared for being like literally everything that freaks you out is
what you'll be shown because that shows that you're engaging.
And that's how it's set up for it, which is just so contrary to the rest of
history.
I mean, it was always it bleeds, it leads in the news because they wanted
people they wanted to win ratings news.
But they only had so much control and it was only on for an hour.
Exactly.
And now it's just this 24-7 anxiety fest.
It's omnipresent and it's basically made to want, you know, to convince you
that you need more of that thing.
Yeah.
And it's like a bad diet, you know, like the first few shots of it, the first
few bites of it tastes amazing.
But, you know, if you eat the full toffee cake every day for the next 365 days
and then for the next year, I mean, you're going to get diabetes and heart
disease.
So the version of that is like your brain just gets totally fried.
And then the bigger problem is and when you're presented with maybe it's not
even the truth, but an opinion that you should consider, you get totally shut
out of it.
And that's like the real problem.
You build these antibodies in your body where this other version that says take
a step back and reconsider, it's not allowed.
And, you know, then if you said to yourself, well, how do you even start?
Where do you go?
You know, like if you're a friend of mine works at Facebook and he showed me
threads.
We were playing poker last week and he showed me threads.
And what's incredible is like threads and X are like the exact polar opposites
in some ways.
And he was showing me in the context of like how the outrage machine on threads
works.
And the way it works is like and this woman wrote this article about it.
But what they'll do is they'll post something that says 2 plus 2 equals 5.
Just that.
That kind of thing.
And you'll get like a million views.
And then it'll first start with like, you know, folks that are like trying to
gently nudge this person.
Actually, you know, I want you to reconsider 2 plus 2 actually equals 4.
You know, and then it builds and it builds and it builds.
And this that so there's this like this weird version of how people react to
like information.
And it tends to be kid gloves and then people just lose their mind at some
point.
So it's kind of like and then over here, I think on X, what you find is there's
a lot more structural data, but then it can easily get lost in the noise
because there's just a few things that just constantly consume.
You know, what the algorithms want to amplify and what is important in the
moment.
And I think that finding a way to like probably blend the two is probably what
is the best in the sense that there's probably some stuff over here that doesn't
make it over here.
And there's probably a lot of stuff over here that doesn't make it over here.
A little bit of that diet for everybody probably goes a long way.
Is there heavy content moderation on threads?
Is there?
I don't know.
I don't use it.
I don't either.
I don't have it.
I just saw it in that moment.
But when he described how the engagement farming works, it just sounded kind of
like ludicrously, you know.
So to explain to people that 2 plus 2 equals 5.
If you just post that.
Is a bizarre thing that was going around where they were talking about how math
is racist.
Exactly.
Basically, that's where it gets to.
Math is racist.
Which is, oh no.
If math is racist, we have a real problem.
Because that means everything's racist.
Because everything's math.
You know, we had this thing in, I don't know if you saw this, in the Bay Area
in COVID.
The city of San Francisco, you know, brought together their board of education
or whatever.
And they eliminated a bunch of AP classes, including like a bunch of AP math
classes.
And part of it was because of this reason, because they felt it was exclusionary.
And I think what it misses is that there's all this other stuff you could do to
kind of like even the starting line for folks.
But if you rip out things like AP math, like take a step back, take a step back,
like in 8 billion people in the world, what are the odds that there's only
literally one Steve Jobs?
Or literally only one Elon Musk?
Meaning capable of that kind of execution?
I suspect that there's maybe two.
And so like part of the human experience, like part of our social
responsibility as adults is how do you make it so that that second Steve Jobs
can find a path to do stuff?
Right.
And I'm not saying AP math is the answer.
But I'm saying there are people that I remember when I was growing up, I wasn't
particularly good at anything in school.
But there were a few subjects which I was just like, wow, like the little time
I spent in school, I was like, I felt a little safe, you know, I could connect.
It built up a little bit of my self-confidence.
And I didn't feel so marginal.
I'm sure there's a lot of kids like that.
For some very small subset, maybe that's what that kind of class is.
It pushes them to a boundary that they didn't know was possible.
You're teaching them stuff.
That's really cool.
So I understand what the intent is.
But then the byproduct is there's a small group of folks that get shut out.
And then that person that could be that Steve Jobs-like person, that Elon Musk-like
person, is held a little bit back.
And I think that that hurts all of us.
So you've got to find a way where we're doing just a little bit better.
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Well, isn't that part of the problem with eliminating gifted classes, right?
There's talk.
I think they're doing that in New York.
Is that where they're doing that?
Find out if that's the case.
There's some where there's this hot controversy about eliminating the concept
of gifted classes.
But the reality is there's some people that are going to find regular classes,
particularly mathematics and some other things.
They're going to find them a little too easy.
They're more advanced.
They're more advanced students.
And those students should have some sort of an option to excel.
And it should be inspiring, maybe intimidating, but also inspiring to everybody
else.
I mean, that's part of the reason why kids go to school together.
Look how hard she works.
She works so much harder than me.
Look how much she's getting ahead.
Fuck, I've got to work harder.
And it really does work that way.
That's how human beings, in cooperation, that's how they grow together.
And I think that it used to be the case that if you went to in high school, you
would be really cool with people that were going to like specific high schools
to get really good at something.
Remember like that show on TV, Fame?
Yes.
Right.
And so, well, that was more about the performing arts, right?
Right.
But that was amazing.
It's like, you know, if you knew a kid that was going to one of those schools,
what you'd say is, wow, you are incredibly talented in this one specific thing.
Go push the boundary of that and see what happens.
I think we owe it to ourselves to say that.
Yes.
Right.
There's 330 million Americans in the United States.
Don't you think that if we created a bunch of different ways for people to
figure out what they're super good at, things are better, not worse?
Like, what is the answer?
Do you think things take a huge step back?
You know, you have more Joe Rogans, you have more Kevin Harts, you know, you
have more great actors, you have more great directors, but you also have more
engineers.
You have more scientists, you have more doctors, and you created a way for them
to just go deep in something