Name: Joe Rogan Experience #2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD
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Joe Rogan Experience #2210 -  Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.
The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
What's up? Nice to meet you guys.
Thanks for having us, Joe.
Thanks for coming here.
I'm all happy, but this is not a happy subject.
I don't know.
It's probably a bad way to start off a podcast of how fucked we are.
But I really appreciate what you guys have been doing.
I think I first saw you on Tucker.
And the details of all the stuff you guys have exposed is, it's not, I mean, it's
shocking, but it's not surprising.
It's really crazy.
So, can we get into this?
Like, you used to be on the dark side.
Let's start with you.
Tell everybody your background, like how you got started with this.
We were born and raised in Washington, D.C.
And I thought being a good young conservative was supporting the pharma
industry, supporting the food industry, defending those industries.
So, I went to Stanford with Casey.
She studied biology.
I studied political science and economics and went on campaigns, but then was a
lobbyist.
Everyone bipartisan in D.C. goes to work for the food and the pharma industry.
And on one morning, I'm working with the pharma industry to literally steer
money to the dean of Stanford Med School, who's a pain specialist, to be put on
an NIH panel to say that opioids in 2011, that the issues around addiction were
overblown.
And we actually helped engineer an NIH panel to issue a report to say opioids
are okay, pain is a crisis.
And then later in the afternoon, working for food companies, working for Coke,
steering money to institutions of trust, steering money to the NAACP, to say
that taking Coke off food stamps was racist.
Coke soda today to this day is the number one item on food stamps.
What I realized fundamentally is that we are profiting.
The biggest industries, the biggest spenders in the country are profiting from
kids, particularly getting addicted, sick, in fear, and then drugging them and
profiting from that.
What is the conversation like when you guys are formulating a strategy to try
to pretend that opioids aren't a problem?
Like how, what are the conversations like?
This is really important for people to understand.
The institutional design of the system, which was greatly impacted by Casey's
awakening, is that it takes good people and gives them plausible deniability.
Nobody's in those back rooms conspiring and trying to be an evil person.
They're literally talking, you know, to these junior staffers like me about the
scourge of pain, you know, and how we have to get this innovation of opioids to
the American people.
Now it's about obesity and trying to get Ozempic to six-year-olds, which is now
the standard of care.
In the rooms, it's about doing what's right and getting this innovation to the
American people.
And everyone can kind of fool themselves.
With the food, it's about getting cheap calories to kids.
It's, you know, it's not we're going to buy off and weaponize these academic
research institutions like Harvard to say sugar doesn't cause obesity and then
pay the NAACP to say lower income people need to be getting their government
subsidized coke.
It's that we're promoting choice.
And I really did believe that and people believe that.
I think there's pings that's coming through in so many ways of people realizing
this really isn't going the right direction.
I think you see it with suicide rate among doctors, the burnout rate among
doctors, the fact that every friend I have from Harvard Business School who
went into the pharma industry, who went into the food industry, there's chronic
rates of depression among elite business people.
I think people are starting to realize this, but still, in these rooms, it's
about doing the right thing.
You convince yourself of that.
Wow.
So it's just everyone's sort of captured by this thing and nobody steps out of
the lines.
I mean, the highest level, Joe, you know, I think we don't realize that there's
a defining existential issue in our country where our major institutions have
been captured.
I think there's like pings of consciousness trying to alert us to this, like,
you know, you having people on that are calling this stuff out, trying to ring
the alarm bell and people flocking to this show.
You know, Iconoclasts from the military industrial complex, from the healthcare
industrial complex.
I think Elon being the richest person, the world's trying to sell us something.
It's like, let's get resources to these people calling these things out.
I think it's like Donald Trump.
Like, I've been thinking about this a lot.
Why is he the defining figure of our lifetime?
Like, why have voters again and again and again gone to him and said, you know,
this MAGA movement, like, why are we, like, supporting this person, making him
the defining person of our generation?
What does he represent?
He represents, like, putting finger on something that's just not quite right
with institutions.
And I think the problem is we can't quite wrap our head around how bad it is
and how so many people are complicit.
But there's all these signs right now.
And I think we're going to be brought to our knees if we don't realize this,
that our institutions have been captured.
Like, to me, healthcare, what Casey talks about, it's a really visceral example
of something just not right with what's happening to food, what's happening to
our kids' health.
And I think it's happening to the military, too, or the military-industrial
complex.
Like, I'm truly worried that we're on the verge of almost a societal-level
collapse with what's happening to our food, what's happening to our health,
what's happening with the potential nuclear war.
And I think we have people starting to realize this, and they're trying to,
like, lunge out for it.
But we're being told it's alarmist.
We're being told it's a conspiracy theory.
And to me, that's what we've kind of landed on in this health issue.
Let's just bring it down to the facts of what's happening to kids.
Let's bring it down to just, like, forget the conspiracy theory, what even
anyone's saying in this room.
Let's look what's happening to our food and look what's happening to kids.
Because by the stats we're seeing, there's something really dark happening.
Like, outside any conspiracy theory, just the statistics of what is happening
to our health in this country and uniquely in America is dark.
And so, Casey, if you could do the same, sort of explain how you got on this
path.
You started off with medical school.
Yeah.
So, just like Callie, you know, we grew up in D.C.
I was, I loved biology, went to Stanford Medical School, went on to do surgical
residency and head and neck surgery.
Climb the ladder, you know, do what every good medical student and resident is
supposed to do.
Climb the academic ranks, publish papers, et cetera.
And so, I was heads down in that journey.
And just like Callie's saying, like, with what I think is happening with the
American people right now, and really more globally, like, there was something
inside of me that was whispering and then speaking a little louder.
And then finally was a deafening call to me that, like, something is not right.
Like, I'm operating, I'm working eight hours a week.
I'm operating, you know, two, three, four, five surgeries a day.
And, you know, in some ways, I feel good about that.
You know, people, maybe their sinusitis is a little better for a little while.
But fundamentally, when you pop up for just a second, which they don't want you
to do in healthcare, you know, everyone's working their tails off.
But when you pop up for just a second and look around at what is happening to
American health, children's health, health across the lifespan, as well as
global health, it's a disaster.
It's literally a disaster.
And, again, this isn't – people will say that's alarmist.
But I, you know, in trying to understand, like, why don't I feel right about my
work, I just started looking at the data in a different way.
And I started to look at what was happening with health trends.
And if you just kind of run through the list of what's happening, it's
unbelievable.
Like, we are getting destroyed.
And it's very recent.
And it's accelerating.
The stats speak for themselves.
You know this very well.
74% of Americans are overweight or obese.
50% now of American adults have type 2 diabetes or prediabetes.
These were diseases where there was 1% of Americans in 1950 had type 2 diabetes.
Now it's 50% of Americans have prediabetes or type 2 diabetes.
Alzheimer's dementia are going through the roof.
Young adult dementias have increased, like, three times since 2012.
So early onset dementias.
We're seeing, you know, this – one in two Americans are expected to have
cancer in their lifetime now.
One in two.
And young adult cancers are going up 79% in the last 10 years.
We've got, of course, the autism rates are absolutely astronomical.
One in 36 children has autism now in the United States.
That was one in 150 in the year 2000.
And in California, where I live, it's one in 22.
One in 22 with a lifetime neurodevelopmental disorder.
We've got infertility going up 1% for a year.
25% of men now under 40 have erectile dysfunction.
A quarter of the country.
You know, this is fundamentally a metabolic disease.
We've got 77% of young Americans can't serve in the military because of obesity
or drug abuse.
We've got autoimmune diseases.
Some studies are saying they're going up 13% per year.
It's just – it's really unbelievable.
And I could go through so many more diseases.
Of course, we've got heart disease, which is almost totally preventable as the
leading cause of death in the United States, killing around 800,000 people per
year.
And I think what – as I kind of just looked around, and again, these are just
statistics, I started trying to put the pieces together.
Why is this happening?
Why are these all going up all at once?
And that led me on what is now a seven, eight-year journey, ultimately leaving
the surgical world, putting down my scalpel forever.
Because what I realized is that when you go to the science with a root cause
perspective, you go back to PubMed with a slightly different perspective, not
how do I treat these diseases once they emerge, but why are they happening?
You see a very obvious blaring answer, which is why we had to write a book
about it, which is that it's all caused by metabolic dysfunction, a term that I
never learned in medical school.
I learned about metabolic syndrome and the different individual diseases that
make it up.
But there is a problem, there is a fundamental breaking of our core cellular
biology that is caused by our diet and the world we're living in, the modern
world we're living in today, that is crushing the very way that the human body
and our human cells can transmit food energy to life energy, to cellular energy.
And so our bodies are essentially, I mean, fundamentally, because metabolic
health is how we make energy in the body, the way that our environment is now
synergistic to storing our metabolic health, and the science is very clear
about this, it's basically like all of us are a little bit dead while we're
alive.
That's what metabolic dysfunction is.
It's less energy in the body.
We're underpowered.
And that's very dark, like when you step back and say, okay, this is clear from
the research, and I never learned it.
I didn't learn it at Stanford Medical School.
I didn't learn it in my surgical residency.
And we could fix it.
We could fix it really quickly if we all popped up and woke up and looked at
the data and put pieces together.
But of course, we're not trained to connect dots.
That's not our job in medicine.
We are trained to follow algorithms and to be reactive.
And so I think, you know, just to sort of kind of back up to the bigger picture
of why we're so passionate about this, I think that the reason there's a Maha
movement, the reason that people are so passionate about your podcast that
talks about this so much, 