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Joe Rogan Experience #2288 - Jacques Vallée

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What's up, sir?
Very good to see you.
Good to see you.
I really enjoyed our conversation last night.
We all went out to dinner, and Hal Puthoff blew my mind.
As you know, I've known him for a long time.
Yeah, when did you meet him? What year?
I knew him at SRI, actually.
I was at Stanford Research Institute before him
in one of the very early Internet research teams
when there was no Internet.
It was called the ARPANET.
It was a network of the Advanced Research Project Agency,
and it was all, you know, computer experiment and so on.
It turned into...
We had Engine No. 3 on the Internet at SRI in California.
Engine No. 3 on the ARPANET.
By the time I joined them, there were like 30 machines already.
And it was exciting.
And then, you know, Dr. Puthoff and Russell Tarr came in with a proposal to SRI
to do parapsychology research at SRI, which had never been done.
And it was funny because they...
So I was already there, you know, in a team.
What year was this?
What year?
Oh, God.
Seventy-four.
Wow.
Seventy-two.
So the ARPANET was around 74.
Seventy-four.
Yeah.
And it was funny because I was in my office,
and the vice president of SRI came in, closed the door,
and said, Jacques, you know, you've published some things
that were controversial under your name on UFOs,
and you haven't lost your scientific reputation,
which is why you're here working for us at SRI on the ARPANET.
But, you know, there's a proposal from Dr. Puthoff and Dr. Tarrac
to do parapsychology research here, and we've never done that.
And I said, well, you know, it's a very valid...
I think it's a very valid area of research.
We should, you know, we're in the kind of institution
that should do that.
He said, well, let me draw something on your whiteboard.
And he drew a scale, a horizontal scale.
And on one side, there was a little square.
He said, this is the most we can expect in terms of funding
for research in parapsychology.
You know, it's maybe at most a million a year.
Okay, and here is what I manage, you know, in this division.
I drew a huge cube, you know, it said $150 million.
Should we jeopardize the research we do for Xerox and IBM
and AT&T and the Bank of America and so on
just to do some research on, you know, psychic things?
And I said, well, you know, the reason we get all this money
from DOD and Bank of America and so on
is that we do the research that they can't do themselves.
We do.
We do the, you know, we go out and we take risk.
And I think we should take the same risk with Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ
because this could be very big.
You know, there is a lot of literature on this already, you know, there is a
meeting of a board of directors of SRI, you know, in two days.
And I said, well, I can write up the reasons why in science you have to take
chances and this is science.
I mean, this isn't just engineering.
And he said, well, give me a memo by tomorrow at 12.
So I went home and I wrote a two-page memo, which was confidential.
I don't think anybody has seen it, for the board explaining why there was
scientific evidence, you know, enough of it so that good research could be done.
And, you know, obviously that may have helped in getting the approval for them
to come in.
And then after the first year, you know, they were there because, you know, the
money kept coming and the results can, you know, good scientific results came
in, came out of it.
So when you say parapsychology, specifically, what were you attempting to study?
So most of parapsychology, you know, as your name indicates, has been studied
by psychologists, you know, people who have experiences and they relate their
experiences and they have strange dreams, they have all that.
And then that has been structured by, you know, people doing experiments, for
example, you know, trying to move objects with your mind, trying to, of course,
send messages psychically to other people and are guessing what's written in a
closed envelope and so on, that kind of thing.
And, but again, those were done by good experimentalists, but it wasn't, where
is the physics of that?
I mean, you know, because in physics, you know, those things are not supposed
to happen.
Without an understanding of a sense that perhaps we're not quite aware of.
That's right.
That's right.
And that, you know, our physics has been dealing with objects and with atoms
and all that.
But it's clear in modern physics that there are other things and that the
theories we have about the different fields in the universe are in conflict
with each other.
You know, relativity and quantum mechanics are in conflict.
And I was reading something that was, God, I just, I glanced at it quickly and
I was running out the door, but I was going to ask Jamie to pull it up.
So, they, they, there's new research that shows that human beings have the
ability to detect the magnetic field the same way that birds do when they fly
south and, and other animals they believe do when they navigate terrain.
They think that human beings have this ability, but perhaps it's something that
we have ignored so long.
It's atrophied or it's not something that we use.
That's a question for, you know, a biologist or specialist of the brain,
although it may not be in, in the brain itself.
It may be diffused in, in the organism.
So, I'm not really qualified, you know.
Well, I was going to ask Jamie to pull up the article, but the point being that
there perhaps are senses that we're either not aware of.
Humans, like other animals, may censor a smack down the field.
Yeah, this is it.
Okay, this is from a while ago.
This is from 2019.
Okay.
This is not the same article, but it's probably a rehash.
That's what it says.
There's another similar one here from like a month ago that's the exact same
title.
Yes, that's what I saw.
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You know, if you look at the history of the islands in the Pacific, like I
spent some time in Tahiti, and I looked at their traditions, they were
navigating the Pacific fine.
They knew where they were going.
Now part of that was navigating with the moon, but part of it was something
else.
And on every ship, they had one, you know, one man who was gifted in guiding
with respect, of course, guiding with respect to what the ocean looked like and
to the moon and so on.
But also, that's never really been explained.
They had an uncanny ability to get to the right islands, you know, on the way
to their destination and to guide those ships.
Otherwise, they would have been, you know, they didn't have compasses.
Right.
And there are books now coming out, certainly, and I found some of those books
in, you know, in Tahiti about the history of that and the research that's been
done into those people.
But they were special people.
They were gifted.
That's not something, you know, that I could do.
Have you heard or listened to the telepathy tapes?
The telepathy tapes.
Are you aware of this?
Vaguely.
It's a podcast that's about nonverbal autistic kids that demonstrate psychic
ability.
Provable.
They've got dozens of these cases on video where people in other rooms are
looking at objects.
The child, completely locked off, can't see them at all, will say and write
down what those objects are.
Colors, numbers, in sequence.
And very accurately.
And so they believe that this is something that, well, many of these parents
have talked about it in the past, but felt foolish.
Felt like it was something that they would be ridiculed about and so they didn't
want to talk about it openly.
But once they started gathering up information, they got more people to open up
about this, then they start documenting it.
And they start coming up with ways to make sure that there couldn't be any
possible way they could be communicating with each other.
And it's just utterly fascinating because they're showing that there is
something going on.
There's some way of transferring information back and forth, including some of
these teachers have figured out a way to not just receive but also transmit the
same way these children have.
So people that aren't nonverbal and they aren't autistic, these people are able
to do it as well.
They've been able to create a bond with these children and communicate with
them.
And there are companies in Silicon Valley that are heavily involved in advanced
processing and advanced programming,
specifically recruiting young men and women with that kind of talent.
I have three grandsons that I love.
And one of them is it's not clear, you know, whether he's actually autistic in
the current definition.
But he certainly has some of that, you know, some of those indications of some
sort of a gift of thinking and getting information in ways that are very
different from that.
Now, it may be that in evolution, the reason, you know, sort of, quote, lower
animals can do it and we cannot is that we've developed other ways of getting
information that are more reliable in the long run.
So it may be just one of the dormant, you know, abilities that we have that
most of us don't, you know, don't develop.
And we're not encouraged to grow it in school because it's, you know,
disturbing for the rest of the class and so on.
And perhaps it's something that people had before language and language and
then written language.
And then, of course, media sort of eroded those abilities.
Yes.
And you find that also in South America and in Australia, you know, and.
In Australia, New Zealand.
And the indigenous people.
Yes.
Yeah.
Natives, but, you know, up to the current population.
Right.
So perhaps it's something that we all had and we've lost it.
Now, when you were initially studying parapsychology, what were the protocols
that you were using?
Like how were you trying to determine whether or not people were capable?
So, you know, again, in my own, I've studied parapsychology more as a, you know,
as a personal interest.
But Dr. Puthoff and Dr. Targ were doing it as with scientific controls.
Yes.
I mean, that was the point.
That to look at it from a physics point of view, you know, not just from a parapsychology
or psychology point of view.
So they were designing tests that were more tied to physical quantities.
And one of the people that they brought in was Ingo Swann, who was an artist
from New York.
He was very uncomfortable with California.
The sky is always blue.
You know, it's boring and so on.
He liked New York.
He liked the animation of the city and his friends and so on.
But I knew, of course, of him.
I had read some of the things.
So when he came to SRI, he told me that, you know, remote viewing is one thing,
parapsychology, but it should be applied to science.
And also, you know, it had to be applied to intelligence in the sense of, you
know, the intelligence agencies were funding SRI to do this.
The three-letter, you know, agencies, there were a number of them who were very
interested because I knew that gift existed, you know, in pilots and in a
number of people.
And so they were trying to figure out a way to utilize this for military
applications?
Mostly to look at developments in the Soviet Union at that point.
Oh, so they 