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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #2289 - Darryl Cooper' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2025-03-13. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #2289 - Darryl Cooper

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The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
The guys today, I think, are the highest level fighters of all time.
We running?
Hey, Daryl.
What's going on, man?
How's it going?
We were just talking UFC.
Yeah.
I think we were talking about how exciting the Ankoliyev and Pereira fight was,
even though people didn't like it because it wasn't like some crazy result,
a giant knockout like you get in most Pereira fights, but it was so technical.
And Ankoliyev just did a fantastic job of shutting down the scariest guy in the
division.
Yeah.
And the psychological aspect of it, he made him back up and second-guess
himself.
Yeah.
And, you know, you can't just do that by being aggressive.
You really got to get in there and you got to hurt him a little bit,
and you just have to put that on him.
And it was amazing to watch.
I thought it was a great fight.
Well, it was so interesting because the consequences of exchanging with Pereira
are so high,
but also Ankoliyev.
Ankoliyev's knocked a lot of people out.
We always look at Pereira's knockouts, but Ankoliyev has knocked out some of
the best guys in the division.
And he only lost one time, and that was Paul Craig has the nastiest fucking
triangle.
It's so sneaky and so quick, and you don't expect it.
He's so high level off his back, and he caught him, I think, with, like, one
second to go in the third round, a fight that he was losing.
Yeah, he broke Jamal's arm or dislocated his elbow, too.
He's one of those guys, like, you know, like Ryan Hall.
It's like, you know, they're on the feet dancing around.
It's like, you know, what are we really watching here, kind of?
But, man, as soon as they hit the ground.
Yeah, there's a giant disparity between his stand-up, which is good.
His good stand-up, you know, and the Bo Nickel fight was entirely stand-up.
It was a good fight.
You know, he looked good on the feet, but you would never say, you know, this
is like an Israel Adesanya type character.
He doesn't have that level of proficiency with striking.
But, God, when he gets on his back, you're in such danger.
Like, nobody else in the division.
It's weird.
Because most guys, you're on their back, and you're not really worried about it.
With Paul Craig, it's like, everything has to be tight.
Especially guys that size, you don't really see it as often.
No, you don't.
Especially in an era when, you know, the off-your-back jiu-jitsu is kind of, I
don't want to say, like, you know, they figured out the game on that yet.
But, you know, it's not quite to that level.
You still have your Craigs and Oliveras, people like that, who really are
dangerous off their back.
But it's not as common anymore, you know.
Well, it's really hard to do.
And also, most people don't want to be on their back.
So they don't even practice off their back.
And the common thought amongst coaches is, when you're on your back, there's
two minutes to go, you're probably not going to pull a submission off.
You've got to concentrate on getting back up to your feet.
Minimizing whatever scoring your opponent has done by taking you down and
whatever shots they've landed.
Mitigate those as much as possible and get to the feet as quickly as possible.
That's what everybody's trying to do now.
Especially in a three-round fight.
I mean, it's like, you let yourself get laid on for three minutes in the first
round, nothing really happens, but you lost that round.
You better win the second one.
Well, look at, like, the Armin Sarukian fight.
If you think about that fight with Charles Oliveira, Charles Oliveira caught
him multiple times in, like, deep submissions, which I think should count for a
lot.
Which I thought, if I looked at who won that fight, I would say Oliveira won
that fight.
Oliveira had him in deep trouble.
It was a very, it was kind of a controversial opinion, but I think a tightly
locked triangle or a Darce choke or anything along those lines should be
considered winning.
You're doing something very difficult to do.
Your opponent doesn't want it to happen.
You've dominated a position to the point where you've secured a submission.
And then this guy sneaks out with sweat and technique and fucking grit.
But he was in fucking trouble.
Deep, deep trouble.
At the very end, especially.
Oh, definitely.
I'm a little biased on this one because I'm an adopted member of the Armenian
community.
But, yeah, but it was a great fight.
I'm a giant fan of Armenians.
You know what I love about him?
So many great fighters in the UFC, all the way back to Carl Parisian, been
Armenian.
But I like the style of the people.
Yeah, exactly.
The thing I love about him is Armenians love being Armenian.
Yes, they do.
It's just great to be around.
I love it.
Yeah, very friendly people, too.
So this podcast, I never say who's coming on the podcast.
I just put it out there.
Everybody knew that Trump was coming on.
And there's been a couple of times where people knew that I was interviewing
people.
For the most part, I just like to do it, have the conversation, and then put it
out.
But you put it on Twitter that you were coming on, and then the campaign began.
I put it on my sub stack behind the paywall.
But apparently, some of my enemies pay me five bucks a month to follow my sub
stack.
I saw what happened with you on the Tucker Carlson thing.
And I spoke about it almost immediately on the podcast, whenever I felt like it
came up.
I don't remember how many days afterwards.
But I've been listening to your podcast for a long time.
And it's so charitable and comprehensive and so thorough.
And so you put so much weight on the real lives and suffering of human beings
on all sides of any conflict.
The regular people that didn't want to be dragged into any war, that find
themselves on the front line.
The stories that you tell and the way you tell them is so comprehensive and so,
again, charitable.
I think the humanity of these people is so well expressed that your fans know
you.
I'm a fan.
I know you.
I know how you view things.
I know how you portray things.
I know how honest you are about all aspects of conflict.
And, again, as charitable as possible the way you lay this out.
So when I saw these attacks on you and when people were calling you an anti-Semite
and a Nazi apologist, I was like, good Lord, this is not going to work on
people who know him.
You know, I've been through that ringer before.
I know what that is.
But with you, I was like, all anyone needs to do, and I encourage you, if you're
like, I can't believe you have this guy on, listen to fear and loathing in the
New Jerusalem.
Listen to it.
You don't even have to listen to the whole thing.
Listen to the first hour of it.
And there's no fucking way the person who made that is anti-Semitic in any way,
shape, or form.
And that's just one of the things that you've done that show that.
It's like the problem is when someone says something and they're trying to be
hyperbolic or they're trying to get a reaction or you're shit-talking or you
post a meme online or something like that.
It's like this bizarre culture we live in that wants to reduce people to the
worst possible interpretations of what they said or who they are and to ignore
everything else.
But for one small tweet or one statement made in trying to get a reaction,
trying to be outrageous, it's a stupid thing that we do.
And as someone who values your show and listens to your show all the time, it's
not just stupid, it's bizarre how many people fall for this kind of stupidity.
And I know how this whole thing works.
I guarantee you probably gained a bunch of fans and you probably gained a bunch
of people who listened.
Because most of the time when someone gets discredited in the media or someone
gets shamed, a lot of people will immediately hop on board.
But a lot of other people will go, well, what is this guy saying?
Like, what is this about?
Like, what's their content like?
And if they listen to your show, they will realize, like, it's one of the very
best long-form history podcasts that's available online.
It's fantastic.
It's really good.
So it's so unfortunate that there is these attack vectors that they could use
to try to change perception of who you are.
But the fortunate aspect is there's so much of your work out there that anyone
could just comb through.
And, you know, you're not hearing that side of it from any of these people, any
of these detractors.
And no one's saying, you know, listen, I listened to some of his stuff and, you
know, maybe he shouldn't have said what he said about Winston Churchill.
But I think he was just being hyperbolic.
And if you just listen to actually what he says about the whole conflict, you
kind of get an understanding of who this guy is.
And so there was a lot of resistance to having you on.
But I was like, fuck that resistance.
I know what you actually do.
And so that's why we're here.
Well, thank you.
I appreciate that.
And, yeah, you know, I mean, the Tucker interview was I could have been clearer
in what I was saying.
I'm not going to, like, absolve myself.
Let's explain what you said, because you were talking about what you say to Jocko,
right?
Yeah, that's how it originally came up, because Jocko's wife's English, right?
So Churchill's like a sacred figure in their pantheon.
And so I said that, you know, maybe I'm being a little provocative here.
I like to provoke Jocko with my Churchill takes or whatever.
But that's only part of it.
I mean, I'm very critical of Churchill's role, in my opinion, in turning the
German invasion of Poland into the Second World War, basically.
You know, that, you know, it's – as I get older, you know, I posted something
on X today that somebody had posted a video.
A drone is going toward a Ukrainian or a Russian truck or something, and it
hits it, and it doesn't blow up.
And it's like, boom, boom, and it tries to – it doesn't blow up, doesn't blow
up.
And as I was watching that thing, I felt like – when it didn't blow up and
the video ended, I felt like this really strong sense of relief that it didn't
blow up, you know?
And what I – I reposted it, and I said, I think, you know, as I get older,
like, I just don't have the stomach for this kind of stuff anymore.
And I see something like that, and, like, I don't care who's in the truck.
I don't care if it's Russians.
I don't care if it's North Koreans or Ukrainians.
Or it's human beings.
I just, like – I'm just glad that they're okay.
Like, that's what I actually felt at the time, you know?
And as I get older, like, that's just how I feel more and more about these
things.
Like, whether – any conflict is just, like – this is not like a young man's
thought, I guess.
But, like, I'm just – I'm happy when they're over and they need, like – I
mean, the damage that they do to people.
And not only to the people who are in it fighting, but that it does to the
societies and cultures that are involved in these things.
It does real damage to our spirit, you know?
Like, if you go back to 2004 when the Abu Ghraib expose came out.
You know, Americans were horrified by that, rightly so.
You know, they saw those pictures.
But the thing that was interesting is that they were horrified, yeah, partly
because, like, look how awful this is that they're doing to these people or
something.
But, you know, for all they knew, they knew these people were in prison.
They might have thought they were terrorists or something.
What people were really, like, feeling at the time was, what are we doing to
our people?
Like, what is – you know, what are we putting them through that our people
are being reduced to this, you know?
And, you know, kind of the sad thing now is, like, I don't know if we would
have the same reaction today.
I think the war on terror has sort of desensitized us to a lot and hardened our
hearts in ways that are not good for us.
And so when I do my podcasts, you know, whether I'm talking about the Israelis
and Palestinians – I