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Joe Rogan Experience #2295 - Scott Payne

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Um, you've had a crazy fucking life, man.
Like a really crazy life.
That's what I'm saying.
So to get everybody up to speed right from the beginning,
you spent 25 years undercover working for the FBI
in the Klan, Nazi organizations, and biker gangs.
And then some, yes, sir.
What a crazy, crazy life that is.
First of all, how did you get,
how did you first get started doing that?
Uh, good question.
I grew up in South Carolina, um, played ball, all that stuff.
I, I, I was always kind of a, I mean, if you look back,
not trying to be cocky, whatever, cause that's not it.
You've had plenty of people on this show that are complete badasses.
Um, but I was kind of a bully of bullies.
I didn't, I always looked out.
I liked the underdog.
Um, I bounced in college.
Uh, so I was already learning that gift of gab,
um, and fight techniques and stuff like that.
And then I got, I became a cop because I, when I was in college,
I took a course, I'm taking electives.
I went to college so I'd have four more years to figure out what I was going to
do.
Yeah.
Cause I didn't know what I was doing.
Me too.
Except partying.
Except, you know.
I did three years.
I was good at partying.
Um, but, uh, I had an elective that was criminal justice and man, I really
liked it.
Um, psychology was always a strong thing for me, but it took a back seat and I
ended up coming
out with a major in criminal justice and a minor in psychology.
But during those criminal justice courses, I was like, at first for a fleeting
moment,
I said, I'm going to be an attorney.
Yeah, I'll be an attorney.
And then I realized I'd be a terrible attorney.
I said, because if I was the defense attorney and they said they did it,
I would probably just walk up and go, they did it.
Right.
That's not going to get me any clients.
And if I was the prosecutor, I pictured me being like Sam Kennison,
grabbing them and going, say it, say it, you know, you did it.
So I'm like, yeah, that's probably not the best role for me.
And, uh, I did a ride along with cops and, uh, the department and that was it.
But once I got in to law enforcement, I was uniform patrol for three years.
Uh, I was just so fascinated with undercover.
I don't know what it was.
I can't really remember doing the book.
I've tried to dive back in.
People ask.
I don't really remember.
I just know that I loved undercover movies, period.
If it was a biker undercover, I don't care how cheesy it was.
I love them all.
And then one of my mentors at the sheriff's office, uh, he was actually the
world's strongest
man in the late eighties after Kazmier.
Oh, wow.
He was, uh, he was a former Marine, um, and big dude.
And he, uh, as a task force had gone on a task force had gone undercover in
some biker
gangs.
And man, I just, I was, I wanted to be a biker.
I grew up on motorcycles and then just started taking off from there.
You got to think that biker gangs are probably super suspicious of people being
undercover
because it's such a theme.
You think?
It's been around, right?
It's been around forever.
The stories of guys infiltrating biker gangs has been around forever.
40 plus years right now.
Easy.
Wow.
Yeah.
And then there's books made.
There's books made.
They go to court.
They learn.
Yeah.
So it was right after the Vietnam war, right?
That's when all the biker gangs really start kicking off.
No, I think it goes back to world.
I mean, my history's bad, but I think it goes back to, uh, to world war at
least two, right?
Really?
Because all those, the way it goes, everybody always asks what a one percenter
is.
And it goes back, I think it's 1947, but it goes back to when, uh, your
veterans are
getting out.
They have nothing.
They're not, they had no decompression back then.
They had no plans or programs for them.
And they've been out here living this raucous, rowdy life.
And now they're back in the States and now they're supposed to just flip and be
like,
right.
So they started creating these clubs and they were doing some raucous and rowdy
stuff.
And then it was the president of the American Motorcycle Association.
They came out and made this statement that said something to the effect of,
listen, 99%
of all motorcycle riders are good law abiding citizens.
There's only 1% that's bad.
And they took that as a badge of honor and said, we're one percenters.
Wow.
Yeah.
Cool stuff.
Cool stuff.
So who was the first person to infiltrate them?
Do you know the history of that?
No, I don't.
But it's, so it's been going on forever.
As soon as they found out, it's like, it's been the case with the mob.
It's been the case with everything.
Sure.
Donnie Brasco.
So, you know, my, my mentor, one of my, really?
Yeah.
Joe Pistone.
Absolutely.
Oh, wow.
He helped certify me.
I saw him probably within the last six months or so.
He graciously, he did a blurb on the book too.
Oh, wow.
I call him boss man, you know?
So do you remember your first undercover assignment?
Yes.
Yeah.
What'd you have to do?
It was at the sheriff's office.
So I, after three years of uniform, I make it, uh, to narcotics investigator.
Well, you got, it's, it's a tough crowd, but we're funny, you know, but it's,
it's just
like a good military group or anything else.
There's going to be a lot of ribbon and stuff like that.
So they, they said, Hey, you're going to go buy some dope tonight.
It's my first time.
Now, granted, I bought weed and stuff in high school and I was around those
groups, but
I never brought crack cocaine.
I was already probably six, four and I probably was like 270 pounds.
I did not look like I smoked crack unless I just fell off the wagon.
Just real research.
Or I just started.
Yeah.
Right.
I'm, I'm the vegan that shows up still smelling like beef, you know, I just
stopped.
Uh, but they told me that, Hey, it's really easy.
You're just going to roll down to this corner.
It's a known draft, a drug, drug trafficking area.
You can roll down there.
White boy, you're going to roll down the window.
They're going to come up to you and say, what do you want?
And back then it was a 20.
You just get a rock, 20 bucks for a rock and say, all you got to do is hold
that 20 and
say, you just want a 20.
Joe, I drove down there.
I know I was, I know I was scared because I was out of my comfort zone, but I
was also
scared to make a fool of myself in front of the narcotics guys and gals that
were training
me.
And I roll down the street and I pull up and they come running up to the window.
What you want?
What you want?
I crack the window.
I crack it about this far and I stick a 20 like I'm trying to go to a vending
machine.
I'm like, I want a 20, you know?
And the dude's like, he takes the 20, but he can't hand me the crack rock back
through the
cracked window.
He's like, roll the damn window down.
And I'm like, my bad.
It's probably like a sliver of soap.
Who knows?
But that was my first drug buy.
First undercover, like legit.
And so what was the protocol?
Like you had to buy the drug and then what do you do?
It depends.
A case by case basis.
We may want to make numerous buys on that corner.
Try to come in with the jump out boys, they used to call them and shut that
corner down
for a while.
We may be trying to make buys on the low level people on the corner selling who
are probably
most likely users, at least with my experience.
So maybe like every five cracked rocks they sold, they can peel one for
themselves.
And maybe we want to get them, build a case on them, kind of try to climb it up.
And then find out who's the distributor.
Yeah.
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And that was like the state and local hit it.
Everybody's a little different, but three buys hit them with a search warrant
kind of thing,
something like that.
And ultimately, so when you're doing this, you're buying, you're trying to
develop some sort of a relationship or an understanding of how this thing goes
down.
How do you get to who's selling it to them?
Do you have to arrest them first?
You can.
Or you can do, there's all kinds of ways, but you could do like a wall off.
In other words, not let everybody see us pick you off, you know, so you don't
get burned.
Bring you in.
Talk to you.
And this is what we got on you.
We're trying to figure out who it is.
And it's just traditional law enforcement.
You're trying to find more intel and work your way up.
And you offer them a community or something like that?
Depends.
Some people are, some people do it out of the goodness of their heart.
Really?
Yeah.
I mean, it's rare, but I mean, you can do it.
Hey, I'm patriotic.
I want to help clean this up.
These people are trying to sell me dope.
I don't like them.
I can go buy it for you.
A lot of times we're paying a source, or they could be working off a charge.
It could be part of their plea agreement.
So this is your first one.
You get comfortable doing that.
And then how often are you doing this?
I don't know.
I mean, we could come in.
Let's just say there's six investigators on Northern or Southern Command narcotics
in Greenville County.
You might be one of my partners, and we come in, and you go, hey, I got a
source.
He's going to go make a buy tonight.
You might hop in the car with him.
It just happens.
I mean, it's almost a daily thing.
And so you develop your skills doing this.
You get real good at being undercover.
And then how do you move on to the big boys?
How do you move on to biker gangs, Nazis?
I got hired by the FBI.
Wow.
And was it specifically because you were good at undercover shit, or no?
You see a picture of me.
This is me, but for the Academy, I mean, it's a cheesy, thin, fuzzy mustache.
Can't go past the crease of your lip, but high and tight.
You're going to get your hair cut at the PX in Quantico.
It was usually foreign ladies that were cutting your hair.
No matter how I'd explained what I wanted, I got the same haircut every time.
You take it up a little bit here and not so much here.
Like, oh, yeah, yeah.
You're like, all right, there you go.
I guess this is what we're doing.
But one thing I noticed at the state level was we would all go back then.
The South Carolina Criminal Justice Academy is in Columbia, South Carolina.
So we would go there and get certified.
But in your county, I mean, how many ways can I shape?
I'm in the same county, and you're going out here making buys.
How many times can I change my car, change my outfit, change my facial hair,
the hair on my head,
until everybody starts knowing I'm a narc?
You know, because when you're in that local environment, and I mean, I'm
talking Greenville, South Carolina.
Miami might be a little bit different, or New York City.
But you're going to court a lot, and people are seeing you in court.
And then, so how do you roll out there?
So a lot of it turns into just running sources.
To me, I believe developing and running sources is hand-in-hand with undercover
because other than them not being a bonded law enforcement officer,
and I don't have a felon on my record, but they do,
they're still the ones we're wiring up and going in