Name: Joe Rogan Experience #2308 - Jordan Peterson
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #2308 - Jordan Peterson' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2025-04-22. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #2308 - Jordan Peterson

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.
The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
No, no, I'm too vain.
That's exactly right.
I look back and I think, oh, those headphones are pushing up my hair.
Isn't that sad?
You shave your head.
That's sad.
You never look back if you do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, it's the greatest thing in the world.
It's freedom.
I have a big dent here from when a meteorite landed on me when I was a kid.
A meteorite?
Oh, funny story.
I know.
I've got plenty of cuts on my head.
I got them all over the place.
Well, you're looking pretty unscarred.
Oh, the back of my head.
I have one when I was a little kid.
It's pretty big.
One of these cranes that lifts up sewer pipes, those big concrete pipes, bang
me off the back of the head.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, that's not good.
Great out, went to the hospital.
Were you a different person before that experience?
I don't know.
I don't even have to talk to my mom.
I was always a little wild.
This could be of autobiographical significance.
Oh, there's definitely a lot of head trauma.
Were you knocked out?
No, no.
I stayed conscious, but I got close.
That's the big predictor.
I got gray.
Everything I grayed out that I came back to.
I didn't completely go unconscious.
So, Jamie went golfing this weekend with OJ Simpson's golf clubs.
Uh-oh.
Not with OJ.
He's not here.
You should be exercised.
That would be the next step.
Jamie bought OJ Simpson's golf clubs after he died.
This is like a childhood dream?
No, or just for sale.
I saw them for sale.
I said, why not?
They came in.
I wanted some big grips.
Yeah.
They weren't that expensive.
A couple of my friends.
What did Shane get?
Shane got a bunch of stuff, right?
I talked him into buying some stuff, yeah.
He got like scarves and-
Ties.
He bought a bunch of ties.
I think scarves, too.
Okay.
He bought a trophy.
A trophy?
And a Bill Clinton signed photo.
And he spent thousands of dollars.
What was this?
Was this some sort of OJ Simpson auction?
Yeah, it was like an estate sale, yeah.
Yeah.
I see.
You know, he's dead now, so you can get his stuff.
Right, for nothing.
Pennies on the dollar.
Well, it's-
I mean, only people like Jamie and Jane are dumb enough to buy.
It's like-
For a goof.
It's one of those things like, you're either getting it for a goof or you're a
very dark person.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
Right, right.
I wouldn't want to own it, even for a goof.
Like, if I found a OJ played pool, I wouldn't want his clue, his cue.
Was there cues?
No, there wasn't.
There was a weird notebook that Robert Kardashian had like handwritten stuff to
him.
Blood splattered on it.
I was like, whoa, that might be interesting.
It's taking a vicious turn, Joe, already.
Yeah.
That's a dark story.
It is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you only know the surface of it.
Well, it's dark in both ways.
It's also dark and planted evidence.
There was blood at the scene of the crime that had preservative in it,
allegedly, supposedly, according to Robert Kardashian.
And according to, I believe, the forensic scientists when they analyzed it.
It matched OJ's blood, but they had to draw blood from OJ in order to determine
whether or not it was his blood that was at the scene of the crime.
And some of the blood found at the scene of the crime had that preservative in
it that they use.
They were sloppy in the 90s, you know.
Compared to now.
Well, there was no DNA evidence back then.
You know, people were, cops were, there's always going to be a certain
percentage of cops that just want to convict somebody, regardless of the
evidence.
And if they're, you know, in their mind, they believe someone's guilty, they'll
do whatever they can, including planting evidence, I guess.
At least that's allegedly.
I don't, not that I don't think he did it.
I definitely think he did it.
But I also think the cops planted evidence, which is probably at least
partially why he got off, you know.
I think the big reason why he got off was Rodney King, right?
Right.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
Have you gone into the whole George Floyd story at all?
Have you ever, like, looked at, like, what they actually did to him for, it's a
combination of things.
Like, what the cop did was horrible, but also he was dying.
You know, like, most people probably, like, if they did that to you, you
probably would have lived.
You know, that guy had a large chart.
That was my understanding of it.
He was fucked up.
But that cop did lean on his neck, which is always interesting to see people
trying to minimize that.
You know, I'm always, like, you got to be able to just say what it is.
Well, that situation can be ugly in a multitude of ways.
Yes.
Right.
That's when things get, well, that's when it's very difficult to pick your
moral pathway forward.
All your choices are not good.
Yes.
Right.
Which is oftentimes the case when it comes to conflicts, right?
Yes.
Conflicts are very complicated, and people want it to be binary.
They want there to be a good guy and a bad guy, and that's oftentimes not
really the case.
Well, it's hard to organize yourself for combat unless you are quite convinced
that you're the good guy.
So there's a default to that dichotomy that's a necessary part of, well, even
standing your own ground, right?
Because otherwise you get demoralized, and so I suppose people, well, when they're
threatened, they default to a simple narrative, because you can't defend
yourself.
In some ways, it's very hard to defend yourself, especially physically or militarily,
without a pretty cut-and-dried narrative.
Well, especially like military operatives, you know, you have to have a very
– your life and the people that you're with, their life depends on you not
having any confusion about whether or not it's morally correct to be doing what
you're doing.
That's why they like to break it down to kill bad dudes, you know, kill bad
dudes.
Right.
Real simple.
Let's go.
They tell us what to do, we do it.
Which is why you want to stay alive, you want your teammates to stay alive,
that's what you have to do.
Yeah, well, you never know when doubt will cause a fraction of a second
difference in reaction time.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's always the thing with physical altercations with people, too.
You know, oftentimes people get sucked into these things where they're not sure
whether to act or not act, and that's when they get in trouble.
Right.
You know.
Right.
That's probably true in life.
You don't want to oversimplify things, too, but once you've made a decision,
well, that's when it's necessary to put doubts behind you,
because otherwise you just act in half measures.
Yeah, and oftentimes you have to have done the wrong thing before, like failed
to act or hesitated to act, and it cost you.
And then you have to learn that lesson.
It's very difficult to, like, know that without experiencing mistakes.
You know, you have to have failed to act and then realize, oh, I should have
done something there.
Yeah, well, that's, I think that's partly, too.
One of the things that I often faced in my clinical practice and with the
students that I mentored was this confusion about acting.
I don't know what to do, so what should I do?
Well, nothing.
I'll wait around until I figure out what to do.
It's like, no, you should put together a bad plan and you should implement it,
because even if you fail in the implementation, you'll gather information, and
then you can rectify the plan.
And so, staying in that malaise until you know what to do makes you get older
and more miserable and you gather no information along the way.
A bad plan is a good idea.
The best, you know, any plan is better than none.
That's a good rule of thumb.
And a bad plan, a bad plan can be incrementally improved with experience.
Right.
He who hesitates is lost.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's really difficult for young people.
I think more so today than ever at any time in history, because the
distractions are so many and they're so engrossing.
You know, if you get out of high school, you don't know what to do, and then
you start playing video games and you're on social media, a day can slip by
like that.
Yeah.
A day becomes a week, becomes a month, becomes a year, and before you know it,
you're 30.
Yeah, right.
And you haven't done shit.
Yeah.
And that's really common.
That's really common today.
And I don't think we can ignore those factors, the factors of just engrossing
distractions.
Yeah.
Well, and the algorithms optimized for short-term attention.
Mm-hmm.
So, you know, it's a weird thing, eh, because you could imagine that you would
want a machine that offers you what you want, right?
Because you want ads that are targeted to you, because you want to see a bunch
of ads that aren't relevant to you now and then, because maybe you'll learn
something.
And content, well, why not have a machine shovel the same sort of things that
you are interested in at you?
Yes.
That's a kind of curation.
The problem comes, and we haven't figured this out at all technically and
probably not psychologically.
The problem comes in time frame, right?
Because there's a big difference between what you might be interested in if you
were diligently striving towards a long-term goal that required conscientiousness
and what's going to attract your attention right now, this moment.
Right.
And the thing about the algorithms is that they maximize for short-term
attention, and that's a – so basically they're actually optimizing for hedonism.
Yeah.
And then you might say, well, so what?
Because you're getting what you want.
Well, the problem with short-term impulsive hedonism is it doesn't play out
well over any reasonable time span.
Yeah.
So that's why you have to mature, which is painful and annoying, but absolutely
necessary and much better than the alternative.
The alternative is exactly what – that's Peter Pan, right?
Yeah.
That 30-year-old.
I still haven't grown up, and I'm a little past my shelf life now, too.
I think people are afraid of losing fun.
They think that when you grow up, you lose fun.
But it's silly.
It's not true.
You can grow up and still have fun.
You know, you just have to – you have to have discipline and prioritize your
time.
Well, that's why Christ says to people that they have to become as little
children, not stay.
Right?
You have to rediscover that.
Right.
Rediscover the joy of it.
Yeah, but also –
Kids are good for that, too, aren't they?
Sure.
Because they teach you that again.
You look at the world through eyes of memory by the time you're an adult, so
the world loses its freshness.
That's part of – the world loses its freshness because you see your memories
instead of the world.
Right.
And then kids come along, and you think, oh, oh, yeah, that's really actually
quite interesting.
And they're so compelled by everything because their perceptions are so fresh
that they share that with you, and that can help reawaken that spirit of
childhood play, let's say.
I've been thinking a lot about play in the last year or so.
Yeah?
Well, I spent a lot of time trying to take apart the causes of, like, truly
pathological degeneration, right?
On the sadistic side, on the criminal side, on the totalitarian side, very
curious about tyranny.
And it was very difficult for me to conceptualize the opposite of that as cleanly
as I could characterize its presence.
Like, what's the opposite of tyranny?
It's not freedom, by the way.
It's certainly not anarchic freedom.
It's not hedonistic freedom.
Benevolence?
I think it's play.
Play.
I think it's play.
Right.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
Well, the developmental psychologist, Jean Piaget, one of the things he pointed
out was that, so let's say play is the foundation of micro-community, right?
When you're a little kid, you play a game with another kid, and then if that
works well, you inhabit a little dyadic community.
You're both in it together.
And then if it really works, you replicate that across time, and that gives you
a friend.
But play is very interesting psychologically and psychobiologically,