Name: Joe Rogan Experience #2311 - Jeremie & Edouard Harris
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #2311 - Jeremie & Edouard Harris' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2025-04-25. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #2311 - Jeremie & Edouard Harris

All right, so if there's a doomsday clock for AI and we're we're fucked
What what what time is it? If midnight is we're fucked. We're getting right
into it
You're not even gonna ask us what we had for breakfast
Okay, let's get freaked out
Well, okay, so there's one without speaking to like the fucking doomsday
dimension, right?
There's a question about like where are we at in terms of AI capabilities right
now?
And what do those timelines look like right there's a bunch of disagreement one
of the most concrete pieces of evidence that we have
Recently came out of a lab an AI kind of evaluation lab called meter and they
put together this this test basically
It's like you ask the question
Pick a task that takes a certain amount of time like an hour it takes like a
human a certain amount of time and then
See like how likely the best AI system is to solve for that task
Then try a longer task see like a 10-hour task. Can it do that one?
And so right now what they're finding is when it comes to AI research itself,
so basically like automate the work of an AI researcher
You're hitting 50% success rates for these AI systems for tasks that take an
hour long and that is doubling every right now
It's like every four months
So like you had tasks that you could do, you know, a person does in five
minutes like, you know
ordering an uber eats or like something that takes like 50 minutes like maybe
booking a flight or something like that and it's a question of like
How much can these AI agents do right like from five minutes to 50 minutes at
30 minutes and in some of these spaces like?
research software engineering mm-hmm and it's getting further and further and
further and
Doubling it looks like every four months. So it's like if you if you extrapolate
that you basically get to
Tasks that take a month to complete like by 2027
Tasks that take an AI researcher a month to complete these systems will be
completing with like a 50% success rate
So you'll be able to have an AI on your show and ask it what the doomsday clock
is like by then
Probably won't laugh
It'll have a terrible sense of humor about it
Just make sure you ask you what it had for breakfast before you started
Yeah, um, what about quantum computing getting involved in AI it's so yeah, I
honestly
I don't think it's if you think that you're gonna hit
Human-level AI capabilities across the board say 2027 2028 which when you talk
to some of these the people in the labs themselves
That's the timelines. They're looking at they're not confident. They're not
sure but that seems pretty plausible
If that happens really there's no way we're gonna have quantum computing that's
gonna be giving enough of a bump to these techniques
You're gonna have standard classical computing
one way to think about this is that the data centers that are being built today
are
being thought of literally as the data centers that are going to house like the
artificial brain that powers
Super intelligence human level AI when it's built in like 2027 and something
like that
Mm-hmm so how would how knowledgeable are you when it comes to quantum
computing?
So I a little bit. I mean, I like I did my my grad studies in like the
foundations of quantum mechanics. Oh great
Yeah, well, it was a mistake, but I appreciate it for the person why was it a
mistake?
You know, so academia is like kind of funny thing
Um, it's really bad culture. It teaches you some really terrible habits. So
Basically my entire life after academia and eds too was unlearning these like
terrible habits of
It's it's all zero-sum basically. It's not like when you're working in startups
It's not like you know when you're working in tech where you build something
and something somebody else builds something
It's complimentary and you can team up and just like make something amazing. It's
always
Wars over who gets credit who gets their name on the paper
Did you cite this fucking stupid paper from two years ago because the author
has an ego and you got to be on I was literally at one point?
um
I'm not gonna get any details here
But like there was a collaboration that we ran
uh with like this anyway, fairly well-known guy
And my supervisor had me like write the emails that he would send from his
account
So that he was seen as like the guy who is like interacting with this bigwig
that kind of thing is like
Doesn't tend to happen in startups at least not in the same way because
everybody's so he wanted credit for the like
He wanted to seem like he was the genius who was facilitating this for sounding
smart on email
Right, but that happens everywhere and yeah, the reason it happens is that
these guys who are like professors or even not even professors
Just like your postdoctoral guy who's like supervising you
They can write your letters of reference and control your career after that
that lap
Absolutely by the balls
They can do whatever and so what Jared did
It's like a movie totally
It's gross gross movie. It's a gross boss in a movie that wants to take credit
for your work
And it's real it's rampant and the way to escape it is to basically just be
like
Fuck this i'm gonna go do my own thing
And so Jer dropped out of grad school to come start a company and and I mean
honestly even that uh
It took it took me it took both of us like a few years to like unfuck our
brains and unlearn the bad habits
We learned it was really only a few years later that we started like really
really getting a good like getting a good flow going
You're also that you're kind of disconnected from
The like base reality when you're in the the ivory tower, right?
Like if you're there's something beautiful about and this is why we spent all
our time in startups
But there's something really beautiful about like it's just a bunch of assholes
Us and like no money and nothing and a world of like potential customers and it's
like you actually it's not that different from like stand-up comedy in a way
Like your product is can I get the laugh right like something like that and it's
unforgiving if you fuck up
It's like silence in the room
It's the same thing with startups like the space of products that actually
works is so narrow
And you got to obsess over what people actually want
And it's so easy to fool yourself into thinking that you've got something that's
really good because your friends and family are like
Oh, no, sweetie, you're doing a great job like what a wonderful life
I would I would totally use it. I totally see that all that stuff right and
that's I love that because it forces you to change
Yeah, the whole
Indoctrination thing in academia is so bizarre because there's these like
hierarchies of powerful people and the just the idea that you have to
Work for someone someday and they have to take credit by being the the person
on the email that that will haunt me for days
Oh, that's right. I'll be thinking about that for days now. I fucking can't
stand people like that
It drives me nuts one big consequence is it's really hard to tell who the
people are who are creating value in that space too, right?
Of course sure because this is it's just like television one of the things
about television shows is
So I'll give you an example a very good friend of mine. Who's very famous
comedian
Had this show and his agent said we're gonna attach these producers. It'll help
get it made
And he goes well, what are they gonna do? He goes they're not gonna do anything.
It's just be in name
He goes, but they're gonna get credit. He goes, yeah
He goes fuck that he goes no no listen listen
This is better for the show. It'll help the show
But then they'll have excuse me. They'll have a piece of the show
He's like, yes, yes, but like it's a matter of whether the show gets successful
or not
And this is a good thing to do and he's like, what are you talking about?
But it was a conflict of interest because this guy was rep the agent was
representing these other people
But this is completely common. Yeah, so there's these executive producers that
are on shows that have
Zero to do with it. It's so many. Yeah, so many industries are like this and
that's why we got into startups
It's it's literally like you in the world, right? Yeah
It's like in a way like stand-up comedy like Jer said or like podcasting or
like podcasting where your enemy isn't actually hate
It's indifference like most of the stuff you do
Especially when you're getting started like why would anyone like give a shit
about you?
They're just not gonna pay attention. Yeah, that's not even your enemy, you
know, that's just all potential
That's all that is, you know, it's like your enemies within you
It's like figure out a way to make whatever you're doing good enough that you
don't have to think about it not being valuable
It's it's meditative like there's no way for it not to be
To be in some way a reflection of like yourself, you know, you're kind of like
in this battle with you trying to convince yourself that you're great
So the ego wants to grow and then you're constantly trying to compress it and
compress it
And if there's not that outside force your ego will expand to fill whatever
volume is given to it
Like if you have money if you have fame if everything's given and you don't
make contact with the unforgiving on a regular basis like
Yeah, you know, you're gonna end up you're gonna end up doing that to yourself
and you could yeah
It's possible to avoid but you have to have strategies. Yeah, you have to be
intentional about it
Yeah, the best strategy is jujitsu
Yeah, it's it's Mark zuckerberg is a different person now. Yeah, yeah, you can
see it
You can see it. Yeah, well, it's a really good thing for people that have too
much power because you just get strangled all the time
Yeah, and then you just get your arms bent sideways and you and after a while
you're like, okay
This is reality. This is reality. This social hierarchy thing that i've created
is just nonsense
It's just smoke and mirrors and they know it is which is why they so rabidly
enforce these
hierarchies
Sir and ma'am and all that kind of shit. That's what that is
Yeah, you don't feel like you really have respect unless you say that
Ugh
these poor kids that have to go from college where they're talking to these
dipshit professors out into the world and operating under
These same rules that they've been like forced and indoctrinated to it's
God to just make it on your own
It's amazing what you can get used to though and and like the it's funny you're
mentioning the producer thing
That is literally also a thing that happens in academia
So you'll have these conversations where it's like all right
Well, this paper is your fucking garbage or something, but we want to get it in
a paper in a journal
And so let's see if we can get like a famous
Guy on the list of authors so that when it gets reviewed people go like oh, mr
So-and-so, okay, like and that literally happens like we you know
The funny thing is like the hissy fits over this are like the stakes are so
Brutally low at least with your producer example like someone stands to make a
lot of money with this
It's like you get maybe like an assistant
Professorship out of it at best that's like 40 grand a year and you're it's
just like what this is it's just
Why what the producers it is money, but I don't even think they notice the
money anymore
I think a big part because all those guys are really really rich already
I think you know if you're a big-time TV producer. You're really rich. I think
the big thing is
Being thought of as a genius who's always connected to successful projects,
right?
Yeah, that's what they really like that's that is like always going to be a
thing right it wasn't one producer
It was like a couple so there's going to be a couple different people that were
on this thing that had zero to do with it
It was all written by a stand-up comedian
His friends all helped him they all put it together and then he was like no he
went up firing his agent over it
Oh, yeah, good f