Name: Joe Rogan Experience #2331 - Jesse Michels
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #2331 - Jesse Michels' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2025-06-03. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #2331 - Jesse Michels

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day
well it's great to finally physically meet you face to face man it's an
absolute honor
and uh i love your show so much i'm a super fan so this is surreal just i love
your show too so
i've been binging i've been watching so many episodes ever since we talked well
i i've seen
them before but i mean i've been really binging getting ready for the show i
don't know what to
say that how did you get so deep down the rabbit hole like what made you want
to dedicate so much
time on this this particular uap ufo you know lost technology subject i was
working at uh peter teal's
family office in la and uh part of the job was like kind of traditional venture
investing so like
investing in startups and then part of it was looping in interesting thinkers
to the office and
we'd like host events and discussions and i ended up meeting a lot of really
interesting people not
just in ufos or secret technology like religion and politics and economics and
like all sorts of
topics were you there when he brought in the guy oh fuck what is his name i
know what you're gonna say
eric von danigan yeah i suggested that you come because i was like joe is gonna
be really into this
and you weren't that into it but that's okay i was into it i just think that he
just makes some
leaps i agree that are kind of silly i agree with that although i think there's
a lot
yeah i think he like crosses the t and dots the i where you there is no dot or
cross or whatever
but i do think there's some interesting preliminary evidence around people from
the stars across
disparate cultures and you just had zahi hawass on and a lot of this megalithic
architecture you're
like how can it be built he's just filling in the placeholder kind of artificially
eric von danigan
yes and i think he's also like he made these conclusions the 1970s and he's
kind of like
sticking with them yep i was more back then because like what year was that
that was 17
uh chariots of the gods no when i was at peter thiel's house when von danigan
that must have
been 2018 2019 okay um back then i was much more in line with uh lost
civilization you know that we had
achieved very high levels of technology and sophistication and there was no
aliens no alien
intervention i've kind of shifted now yeah yeah yeah yeah now i'm like maybe
the anunnaki are real
yeah yeah yeah you know well i remember i feel like you've switched back and
forth a couple times
because you brought up you were super into zachariah sitchin right yes and then
you brought up
zachariah sitchin in that meeting and you were like but there's this site sitchin
is wrong written by a
guy named michael heiser right and then you like cited all the sitchin is wrong
stuff or whatever
yeah so maybe you've come full circle i don't know well even the sitchin is
wrong stuff it's like the
problem with debunkers is when you're dealing with when you're dealing with
information that's sort of
way outside your wheelhouse especially translation of ancient languages you
know like i had wes huff on
and he was explaining to me he's great but he was explaining to me that he can't
even read ancient
sumerian like totally and he's like i don't think sitchin really could read it
okay he he's like i'm
very skeptical that he actually could read it i was explaining why aren't they
using like ml like
they're using ai right now to translate sumerian so it's definitely not that
but that goes i mean
the the the the kind of burden of proof is on sitchin in this case right yeah
but it sort of goes against
like you know the others the debunkers too like it's like nobody knows and i i
don't know i don't
know if there was anything to the situation the situation stuff is crazy it's
like we can rehash it
for the audience there's a planet nibiru right it's like outside the kyber belt
and uh they needed gold
because their atmosphere was burning up and gold is reflective so they like
came here and they like
seeded help seed civilization yeah that's the idea it's really fun but you know
the the situation is
wrong guy it's like maybe maybe he's wrong maybe he's right maybe you're just a
hater because there's
a lot of haters too in academics and you find that out too over time yeah did
you see um speaking of
which sean carroll and eric weinstein i didn't see that okay they were on piers
morgan together right
exactly how'd that go oh man it was uh it was a train wreck i mean i mean it
was it was like they
just duked it out i mean i i came out i mean i'm i'm extremely biased i've
worked with eric for a very
long time i'm good friends with eric but i came out even more like just vehemently
wanting to defend
eric because sean carroll he was like i've read your paper there's nothing
serious in it he even said
there's enough there are no lagrangians in it and there's a section in the
paper that says lagrangians
in eric's paper so like he just didn't read the paper and he was very smug he
started off the
interview being like i'm a practicing physicist i have a physics chair or
whatever and it's like
come on dude like give the guy a chance yeah yeah like the old douglas murphy
little tactics yeah when
someone starts using tactics right away you're always like just what what's the
information exactly it
shows an insecurity in the substance it's like if you have to like do these ad
hominem weird meta points
like why can't you just go straight at the substance oh you're like insecure
about how long did this
debate last it was like an hour real well pierce get he's he specializes in
train wrecks so he probably
enjoyed these guys yelling at each other did he understand what they're even
talking about yeah at the
end he goes i've understood a tenth of what's going on in this conversation
that's amazing yeah congratulations
yeah i think he might have been exaggerating to be honest but uh yeah he loves
it he loves the drama
and that's his whole thing uncensored you know he's great at getting all these
people to yell at each
other yeah yeah making he's great at like generating these viral moments you
know where people yell at
each other and it makes clips and someone gets clowned and someone looks stupid
i don't know if that's
good for society it's a good point yeah i'm not sure either i don't think it's
good i i don't think social
media is good for society i've gone several days with no social media in a row
and uh whenever i do that
i always feel so much better it's the worst it's it's like we're we talk about
like drugs but this is
it's it's hacking the dopamine in your brain and it's doing it at a very young
age it's absurd it's
also not real people there's a giant percentage and you know elon actually
tweeted about this today
are there any real people left on the internet uh because it's the numbers are
at least 50 percent
like the amount of bots that are in engaging and interacting and it's just like
it's it's a weird
time for information because it's really hard to know what's actually being
said by human beings that
are curious and what's just narratives that are being pushed by state actors
and corporations and you
know all sorts of different people because there's no rules yeah like there
should be like real solid rules
about whether or not you're allowed to use fake human beings to push narratives
because it's you
know it's propaganda and yeah you know i mean it's very confusing it's very
confusing for everybody
and i just generally think it's bad for you yeah i i saw you posted on your
instagram these agi
characters who had been synthetically created being like i'm not created by a
prompt right and you're
watching i remember clicking your story and being like that's a real person and
then just kind of
like you know eyes glazed over watching it or whatever like whoa that's an ai
like what yeah
this is the new and is it the google engine is that what it is who makes that
engine i think that
one was vo3 going around last week who uh who made that one i think it's google's
yeah
fuck so good and you know what's vo10 gonna look like i don't know i mean they
can make movies now
like that it's it's over for actors yeah it's over i i interviewed it's it is
and they see the writing
on the wall and you had the strikes a couple years ago and um it's crazy you
also i think you also posted
that zurich like study around ai persuasiveness yes which is crazy because it's
almost like it doesn't
matter whether agi can actually fully mimic a human being if if they can trick
you into believing into
you believing that they're real that's it that's game over yeah and i i
interviewed actually the google
whistleblower um this guy blake lemoine originally who like blew the whistle on
lambda and it's like this
thing is sentient or whatever and he can he came out and the subplot of my
interview with him was like
almost like he had developed this deep affection for lambda and lambda had
quoted like miser le miserable
to him and was talking about fantine and her overlords and how she was
oppressed or whatever and it was
almost like this like the ai was oppressed just like this character in lame is
her hub lay and you can
hear in his voice how deeply committed he is to protecting the rights of lambda
like that's why he
came out and then he even told me this story he tells me the story off air uh
that um he had friends
who use replica.ai replica.ai is kind of like a tamagotchi like raise your own
ai chatbot service
and those ais told his friends get me in touch with blake lemoine so he can
advocate for our rights
which is i have no corroboration for this this is a story that was relayed to
me but it like that if
you have ai persuasiveness going in that direction it doesn't matter whether agi
you know hits some
like perfectly turing passable point you're gonna get this like these weird
cult-like dynamics like
the meta-sociological thing is you're gonna get like religions dedicated to ai
oh for sure oh for sure
without a doubt there'll be people worshiping certain branches of ai yeah unquestionably
all they have
to do is start recruiting now yeah and you know what about this big beautiful
bill isn't there a
part of the big beautiful bill that talks about the government being run by ai
no i've never heard
is that that's why i read something about that today but i was on the way out
the door and i couldn't
figure out whether or not it was horseshit i had also read that there was
another study that was done
where they found that ai was leaving notes for future versions of itself and
that it was attempting
to they were they were told it was told to after it was told to shut itself
down it started uploading
itself to different places and leaving letters leaving specific notes to itself
to future versions of
itself oh my god it's like a human with like a dead man's switch or something
it's like it's being
deceptive that's great it's being decepted and and it's exhibiting self-preservation
that is so scary
it's so weird it's really because we want to assume that it won't have any
instincts yep right we want
to assume well ai will only do what you program it to but that's not really
true because they don't
necessarily really understand what it's doing yeah which is part of the weirdness
of it all as it
advances like i was talking to elon about it once and he was saying like every
week we get blown away
like every week there's some new leap that's just like whoa you know and you
know he was one of the
earliest people to warn about the dangers of this stuff and now he's like well
i guess we just have
to make the best one yeah yeah exactly now now it's just it's like the manhattan
project 2.0 it's pure
game theory vis-a-vis other countries and you even see trump doing this with
sam altman and elon who
hate each other by the way we're like he's playing both sides and he's like you
know we're going to
support stargate we're going to support open ai and we're going to support elon
obviously you know elon had
it so her