Name: Joe Rogan Experience #2335 - Dr. Mary Talley Bowden
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Watch the stand-up comedy video 'Joe Rogan Experience #2335 - Dr. Mary Talley Bowden' from PowerfulJRE on Comedy Buff. Published 2025-06-10. Transcript available.

Joe Rogan Experience #2335 - Dr. Mary Talley Bowden

All right, very nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you.
I saw you on the Danny Jones podcast, and I've read a lot of your tweets and
Twitter
and just the entire ordeal that you've been through since the beginning of
COVID.
And so I felt like it could be very educational for people to hear your
perspective.
Well, I appreciate you continuing to talk about COVID because I think a lot of
people
are sick of it.
I'm certainly ready to move on.
I am too, but it's just people need to make sure this doesn't happen again.
Exactly.
And nothing's happened, really.
Nothing's been corrected.
No.
Not only has nothing been corrected, I was just watching an argument on
television where they
were trying to argue for vaccinating women who are pregnant.
Oh, right.
It's insane.
I mean, there's a golden rule of pregnancy, right?
You don't experiment on pregnant women.
You don't experiment on an unborn child.
You're not even supposed to eat sushi.
Exactly.
Right.
But we're going to put this modified mRNA technology into these women who, you
know,
early treatment.
We have early treatment.
COVID is no longer a threat.
We're dealing, you know, at one point it was more than a cold, but not now.
Why in the world would we give them to pregnant women or children?
The only thing that makes sense is money.
Right.
Well, it's the only thing that makes sense.
It's the only thing that makes sense.
In ego and...
Ego meaning because they've already recommended it, because they don't want to
admit that it's
not effective, they don't want to admit their side effects.
I mean, we have hard facts showing it should be pulled off the market.
I mean, any other product would have been pulled a long time ago.
If this were an antibiotic and we'd seen all of the carnage from an antibiotic,
it would
have been yanked off long ago.
It should have been yanked off in the first month.
There's just...there's no other explanation than there's just...there's fraud,
there's
corruption, there's ego, there's money.
But it's not science.
No.
And there's a lot of people that, for whatever reason, they have this very
rigid ideology that
the pharmaceutical drug companies are to be trusted, and we should trust the
science and
that all these organizations, whether it's the FDA or whatever it is that's
connected to
these assertions, they should be trusted, not just the average doctor who's
talking about
these side effects and all these different things that they're experiencing
with their
patients.
Yeah.
I mean, I trusted them when the pandemic started.
I mean, I didn't think that the shots would work necessarily, but I trusted
them.
I didn't think they were going to hurt us.
Why didn't you think they would work?
Because they were rushed to the market.
I knew the flu shots were already iffy.
We're dealing with a virus that mutates.
We've never been able to vaccinate against a cold, which, you know, it's a
rapidly mutating
virus.
It's been tried before, and it's failed.
If you don't mind, please tell everybody what your background is in medicine.
You know, I'm a private practice, solo physician.
I'm not head of the Mayo Clinic.
I'm just a, you know, neighborhood ear, nose, and throat doctor that sort of
got tangled up
in this inadvertently.
And I always thought when the pandemic started, I thought, well, this will be
the hospital.
This will be a chaos in the hospitals.
I never envisioned getting wrapped up in this at all.
I, you know, I trained at Stanford, and then I moved to Texas after residency.
And then I worked in a small private practice for seven, eight years.
Then I started having a bunch of children, and I pretty much gave up medicine.
I mean, I took a seven-year sabbatical.
I wasn't even sure I was going to go back, but then I just had this itch that
needed to
be scratched.
And I opened up a solo practice six months before the pandemic started.
Oh, boy.
Yeah.
What timing.
I know.
Why?
Why did I do it?
You could have been out.
I know.
Yeah.
Well, sometimes the universe has a calling for people, you know?
It's been a very interesting journey.
I mean.
So take us through what happened with you at the very beginning.
Like, so COVID starts making its way across the world.
Yeah.
So I had people coming in with respiratory tract infections that were stubborn.
They were not, you know, the typical colds.
And there was all this, you know, news that there's this virus from China.
But, you know, you watch something on the news, you think, oh, you know, that's
not going
to really affect me.
But, you know, I started having more and more patients coming in.
And at first, I really didn't know what to do.
I just used common sense.
I mean, I treated the symptoms.
I used breathing treatments.
I covered for secondary infection with antibiotics.
I used steroids, that sort of thing.
And I had success.
But I didn't have a lot of people, you know, showing up at my doorstep treat me
for COVID.
But I did start having people wanting to get tested.
And you might remember that LabCorp was the first lab in the country to offer
the test.
And they just got completely slammed.
So it took two weeks to get the results back.
We were already working.
I was already working with a lab for patients with chronic sinusitis who they
were doing PCR
testing for chronic sinusitis.
So it tests for bacterial and fungal infections of the sinuses.
It's called Microgen DX.
And they came out with a saliva test for COVID.
So we were able to get the results back the next day.
So I started offering that.
And my little clinic exploded.
And I'm located in a strip mall, which is very purposeful.
I'm very close to the medical center, which is, you know, to get your doctor's
office.
It's a 10-minute navigation of the parking garage and another 10-minute walk to
the office.
And so I was trying to locate my office where it was very easy to get in and
out of.
And then that served me very well during the pandemic because with these saliva
tests,
you could just take the cup to somebody's car.
They could spit in the cup.
They could leave it outside.
It was contact-free.
You didn't have anything shoved up your nose.
And then we got the results back the next day.
And so that sort of made me, put me on the map in my little neighborhood.
And then I started tracking, you know, who, when the vaccines came out, I
started tracking
who was positive, you know, by their vaccination status.
And so I started noticing that the vaccine wasn't working.
And that's sort of what got me in trouble.
I also started giving monoclonal antibodies and I didn't ration them.
So I became known in town as a place you could get monoclonal antibodies
without, you know,
having to pass, you know, being a certain race or a certain age or that sort of
thing.
What do you think that was all about?
Yeah, I don't know.
But the monoclonal antibodies is very frustrating to me.
They worked very well.
They were not controversial.
People would turn around the next day.
But when they first came out, I could get as many doses as I wanted.
I mean, they show up at my doorstep the next day and it was great.
I mean, that's that's that also sort of put me on the map with COVID.
And then I didn't even use ivermectin until the government took over
distribution of monoclonal
antibodies.
And then it became harder and harder to get them.
And that's when I turned to ivermectin.
But, you know, in my opinion, they did that on purpose.
They did that to encourage people to take the COVID shot.
It was very orchestrated.
If you look at the timing, the, you know, in March, the government put out the
big information
on ivermectin and why you should not take it for COVID.
They put that on the FDA's website.
At the same time, they launched COVID-19 Community Corps.
And this was April 1st, 2021.
This was an 11.5 billion dollar slush fund to propaganda to, you know, feed out
propaganda
and censor people.
And the day that they launched the COVID-19 Community Corps was the same day
that Houston
Methodist, which is where I had privileges, they mandated the COVID shots for
all their
employees.
And they were the first in the country.
And that's sort of how I got tangled up in all this, because I had privileges
there.
And then I was actually working with them.
I was doing research with them.
I was sharing my data with them to try to get it published.
But then I started questioning, you know, the vaccine and how it wasn't working.
I brought it to their attention first, and they gaslit me.
And they just said, well, it's just, it lowers severity.
And when they ignored me, then I started speaking out on social media.
And that's how, that's what got me in trouble.
But, so that summer, 2021, that's when the third and the largest surge of the
pandemic started.
And this was after the rollout of the wonderful COVID shots, which were
promised to stop transmission
and prevent death, and obviously didn't.
And the government was getting frustrated.
So they doubled down on their ivermectin attack.
And this was end of August, 2021.
They put out the infamous horse tweet, said, seriously, y'all, you're not a
horse, you're
not a cow, stop it.
A tweet went viral.
It had dire consequences, in my opinion.
And then they approved, they fully approved the COVID shot.
And then Biden mandated for employers with 100 more employees.
And that was right when they took you down.
So it was all very coordinated.
Oh, and then the final straw was taking away monoclonal antibodies.
Yeah.
So, yeah, that was the more fascinating thing about it to me is I listed a
bunch of different
things that I took, including monoclonal antibodies, but they only concentrated
on ivermectin.
But the way they did it was, like, so transparently, changing the color of my
face on CNN and everywhere,
this concerted effort to call it horse dewormer.
It was, they just tried to make it look as preposterous as possible without
ever explaining
that it's been used more than multiple billions of times prescribed to human
beings.
Yeah.
I mean, they branded you.
When I think of you, I think of that picture of you where you're slightly green.
Honestly.
Yeah.
But ivermectin, I was nervous about using it because of all the hype and
because monoclonals
work so well.
I was like, well, this is not going to live, you know, this is not going to
work.
I was nervous.
But the first thing I did was dug into the safety, and anybody could do that,
which is
a minimal amount of effort.
You can go to the FDA website, and you can find the toxicity data on ivermectin.
And there's something called the LD50, lethal dose 50, which is, it's a
benchmark number that
gives you an idea of how toxic a medication is.
And LD50 means how many animals, 50, what dose would kill 50% of lab animals?
So for ivermectin, it kind of depends on the rat, I mean, the type of animal
and the
gender.
But it's basically 10 milligrams per kilogram up to 80 milligrams per kilogram.
So for COVID, we're using 0.4 milligrams per kilogram.
So I knew that we were not worried about, you know, killing people with it.
And then I did a literature search, and I looked for accidental, intentional
overdoses
for ivermectin, and I couldn't find a single study.
Whereas you do that for Tylenol, I mean, thousands, thousands of reports.
So once I knew it was safe, then I started using it, and then I found it worked.
And then, yeah, all in all, I treated well over 6,000 patients.
And everybody that got early treatment stayed out of the hospital.
I also had patients come in that were really sick in the second week.
And that was such a learning experience for me because, you know, normally if
somebody walked
into my office with an oxygen saturation in the low 80s, I would call an
ambulance.
But I had patients who were refusing to go to the hospital, and I had to give
them the option
to possibly die in my office, which is scary.
But we saved them.
I mean, we just threw the kitchen sink at them, and we didn't have monoclonal
antibodies.
So we did, we brought them in every day.
We did IV steroids.
We did IV ant