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Joe Rogan Experience #2411 - Gavin de Becker

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How are you, sir?
I'm well, thank you very much.
Great to see you, as always.
Good to see you, too.
You got a bunch of notes, you got a lot of things to talk about.
We were starting to talk outside, we're like, hold this, hold these thoughts,
let's bring
them in here.
Well, here's where I am.
As a criminologist, you know, I take a different approach to things.
I'm not obviously a doctor or a scientist, thankfully.
And as a criminologist, you get a view of the world that's quite interesting.
And so I took a deep dive into pharma.
But I want to put that off for a second, because I know you know a lot of these
CIA operations,
like Paperclip, where we bring over people who are working on bioweapons from
Japan and
from Germany, and we don't prosecute them, and we use them to be the beginning
of the
U.S. bioweapons program.
And I know you know MKUltra and Mockingbird, but do you know the one called
Project Gladio?
No, I do not.
Put your seatbelt on, because this one just tops it all.
So this was, World War II ends, and the OSS, which was the CIA at the time,
decides to leave
behind, rather than take everybody home, all the American soldiers, they're
going to leave
behind a bunch of them, hey, you guys, hide your weapons, hide your rifles, secrete
all
the grenades and ammunition, and put it in bunkers, and just sit tight until we
have some ideas
of things you ought to do.
So eventually, a few hundred of them stay behind, and they are going to do
things in Europe to
stop communism, to stop socialism, to fight the Soviets, etc.
But what do they actually end up doing is terroristic incidents against our
allies.
They blow up a train station in Bologna, 285 people injured, 85 people killed,
done and funded
and operated by our CIA.
They do the 1989 assassination of a guy who's a journalist, who's writing about
this.
They shoot him twice in the head.
They do another bombing, 17 people killed.
Another one, Oktoberfest in Germany, not Italy, 17 people killed.
Why?
Because they see that certain candidates are doing well and might become prime
ministers,
for example, or important legislators.
So when you have a big, giant terrorist incident done in some train station,
for example, that
moves the public toward a more right-leaning government or a more totalitarian
government
that CIA can deal with, and away from anything where communism can happen.
There's the assassination of Aldo Moro.
He was a former prime minister, five bodyguards.
They're all killed.
He's kidnapped.
A few weeks later, he's shot in the head and put in the trunk of a car.
That was done by Project Gladio.
In other words, these things were done by the United States to our supposed
allies.
And hundreds of these leave-behinds operated eventually a 20,000-person army
all over Europe.
Now, I don't expect anybody to believe a word of it.
You've got to go to Wikipedia and put in GLA-DIO.
It's just one D.
And you see that this insanity is true.
The punchline on it for me, the one that really blows it out of the water, is
that it ended in 1990.
Whoa.
Yeah.
And George Bush was president, and he'd been former director of CIA, of course.
And he denies it like crazy, but eventually an Italian prime minister really
goes to the mat on it.
And it becomes so well-established that the U.S. government funded and managed
these operations, blowing up regular citizens in Europe,
that a lot of the people who were imprisoned for them, for those incidents,
terrorist groups, et cetera, were released on the defense that it was actually
done by CIA.
I did tell you to put your seatbelt on.
Oh, my God.
Is that just, like, an idea that starts off as a precautionary measure that
just got completely out of hand because there was no oversight?
Yeah.
No oversight is the key to a bunch of stuff I want to talk about today because
when governments, big centralized governments and other power centers become,
you know, without oversight,
and where does oversight come from?
It comes from us, the public, having to be skeptical.
And if the public is not skeptical, if they'll buy a story like, oh, a terrible
terrorist group assassinated this guy, Aldo Moro, how terrible,
and they'll buy the story with no skepticism because that's what we're told,
then there will be no oversight.
And power centers, it's no surprise.
You know, we could talk about every country on Earth.
I'm not – you know, I happen to love America, but I'm not saying it's just
America.
It's – you know, this is the nature of espionage and the nature of war.
But I want to answer your question about is it just because of no oversight?
The United States doesn't end wars very often.
For example, World War II ends and you're all excited about it and you're
mounting things and you're doing all this stuff.
And then it ends and everybody's like, hey, but we were really into this thing.
And so we don't let them end.
We leave 300,000 troops in Germany, 300,000 troops in Japan, hundreds of
thousands of troops in South Korea.
Why don't we bring these people home?
If the war is over, the war is over.
But that's not how empire works.
And so the U.S. tends to, you know, continue these wars in the versions I just
described to you, which is more secret versions.
And it's dark, man.
I mean if somebody – and maybe somebody has.
But if somebody came into America and did a bunch of terrorist incidents in
America that killed a lot of Americans, oh, geez, let's reflect on whether that's
ever happened.
But anyway, if that happened, we'd be stressed and rightfully we'd, you know,
have a lot to complain about.
But it goes on and it's kind of my theme for today is sharing these things that
are all available on Wikipedia.
You know, I'm not making them up.
They're all real and I looked at them from the point of view of a criminologist
where I really lay out the evidence.
And my purpose, my reason for doing this today with you, also in a book, my
reason is that I really want to encourage Americans to be skeptical because if
you don't have skepticism, the government runs us.
We don't run the government.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And it's a strange time for that, you know, because first of all, one of the
things that happened was the Smith month, right?
So when during the Obama administration, when they made it legal to use
propaganda on American citizens, that that blurred the lines of truth and
reality for all of us forever.
And unless that is somehow or another rolled back and I don't see any effort or
any desire to roll it back, we're always going to be stuck in a situation where
it's absolutely legal for intelligence agencies to lie to us in the interest of
national security.
Yeah.
That's where we are for sure.
There was, I know you already know about Project Mockingbird, but Project Mockingbird
had hundreds of American journalists who were in some cases directly on the
payroll of CIA and in other cases just had great relationships and would, you
know, float ideas inside the United States.
It was shut down by the church committee, Senate committee, but was it really
shut down or did it just change its name?
Because the reality is that today, unlike in the past, all information is
international.
So if you start floating information overseas, that's not true, it's going to
make its way to America.
And does it make sense to do this?
I remember when I was working on an investigation involving Saudi Arabia and
their use of Twitter, misuse of Twitter.
Twitter ended up canceling like 5,000 of their accounts because they were fake,
you know, bots.
But they were using Twitter to be able to float things so that they would, you
know, become viral and become important.
What time period was this?
This is very recent.
This is a...
So was it X or Twitter?
Was it when it was Twitter?
It was Twitter, 2018, 2019.
And they would get things to trend.
And how would they do it?
Well, when Twitter shut down their bots, they had 40,000 people sitting in
their houses and they would send out the message of the day,
like Jeff Bezos is the evil Jew.
He happens not to be Jewish.
Jeff Bezos is the evil Jew who's robbing us at night, et cetera, because they
were in a competition with Bezos over various things.
And then it would trend.
And so when I saw that happening with Twitter, I thought to myself, well, every
country should do that.
I don't mean I like it.
I just mean it's kind of obvious that if you have an opportunity to communicate
with your population in a way that makes particularly young people in Saudi
Arabia,
they're the ones who are going to come over the castle wall one day,
if you can control their perceptions, of course, that's what every country in
world history has done.
Every country has a narrative, right?
Ours was when I was growing up and you too.
Anybody can become president.
You know, the government works for us.
We don't work for the government and other wonderful myths.
So that was our narrative.
India's narrative is, you know, the next life matters more than this one.
In the next life, you'll have a good time.
Maybe now you're homeless.
Maybe now you're one of the seven million homeless people in Mumbai, but your
next life will be better.
England's narrative, the class structure, just watch the king and queen.
They're having such a good time and the princes are having such a good time.
That's good enough for you, isn't it?
And so everybody has one, and they have these stories about how they control
populations,
religion being, of course, the big one.
Now, government is at war with religion.
Our U.S. government is not liking the church anymore, is not liking other power
centers.
During COVID, you could go to a liquor store, you could go to a Target store,
big air conditioning, keeping all the virus nice and cool and moving around,
but you couldn't go to church.
And even if they put the church outside, they wanted to stop the church.
Now, why would governments not like the church?
Because it's another power center.
And so each power center needs to be knocked down.
But is that why they did it?
Because they also outlawed outdoor dining in Los Angeles.
There was outlaw comedy shows.
Yeah, I'm going to give you a pretty cynical answer.
Yes, that's why they did it in general with, I mean, if you think about it,
the Constitution gives particular protections to the church, to religion,
doesn't give particular protections to liquor stores or big box stores,
and yet that's what happened.
But what about shows, for example?
When you have a population that cannot gather for enjoyment,
you know, we're all going to the concert,
and we're going to watch this musical event.
And none of us are going to say,
oh, that guy over there voted for Trump.
I hate him.
Oh, that guy over there voted for, you know, Biden.
That one's woke.
That one's such and such.
We just enjoy the show, right?
We go to the beach, which was prohibited, remember.
But we go to the beach, and I look over at you and your kids and your family,
and you look over at mine, and we're having a good time.
Nobody's judging anybody.
We're just there to swim.
You can divide a country in the way that it happened with us during the COVID
lockdowns.
But that is the source of power.
Division is actually the source of power.
But do you feel like this was done on purpose?
Did you think that they were capitalizing on the event of COVID,
or that they knew that a situation like this is an excellent opportunity for
them to divide people further?
Or was it just the fact that they had to act at least,
they had to at least give the guise of public safety?
It had to at least be performative in that they were doing something.
The optics, they were protecting people from the spread of this disease.
Well, my best way to assess things is rather than ever try to figure out what's
in somebody's head,
I just look at what actually happened.
And what actually happened is that every Western nation on Earth put al