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Joe Rogan Experience #2417 - Ben van Kerkwyk

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.
The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
Ben?
Good to see you again.
So last time you were on, we barely scratched the surface of all the things
that we wanted to talk about.
So immediately we were like, we've got to do another one quick.
Because you wanted to talk about the Sphinx.
The Sphinx, yes.
Yeah, we were on, we got into the, well, the Labyrinth was kind of the big
thing.
The Labyrinth is nuts.
I still haven't been able to get over it.
The 40 meter metallic shape, tic-tac-shape thing that's in the ground.
Like, what is that?
Well, I hope we'll find out.
I mean, I don't know.
It's the wheels do turn a little slowly, but the point of that was to try and
drive some awareness.
Maybe we'll get some sort of angel investor in there to go and look at it and
solve the problem, do something.
Someone needs to talk to Elon.
Yeah, maybe.
I'm not the guy.
I talk to him too much as it is.
He's too busy.
But someone who can annoy him.
He's solving all the problems.
Yeah, someone, or maybe Bezos would like to be the first guy to get in there.
Someone has to get in there.
You have to figure out what that thing is.
That's crazy.
This might be one of the biggest mysteries in the entire human civilization
record.
Yeah.
Who's the director that went to the bottom of the, I forgot.
Oh, Cameron.
Cameron.
I mean, he likes going places that nobody's gone before.
They do a hole and get there.
Maybe he can develop the thing.
Someone should do it.
They just, I don't think enough people know.
A lot of people know that we're listening to this podcast, but not enough
people that would
do something, that can do something.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
It's like we reach a lot of knuckleheads.
We reach a lot with some wide variety of people.
But the percentage of people that have the resources to make something happen,
they have to work
something out with the Egyptian government, right?
So they have to do something with those dams.
Yes.
Well, you don't have to.
No, I don't think it takes the dams.
You would have to remediate the water on the site, at least like somehow box it
out, right?
You've got to drain.
You'd have to drain this massive area, or at least if you were targeted enough,
you might
be able to drain a smaller area to then excavate in that area.
We should probably explain to people that didn't listen to the last podcast,
just a real quick
synopsis of what this is.
So the labyrinth, we're talking about the great lost labyrinth of ancient Egypt,
which
was described by figures like Herodotus, Deodorus Siculus, Pliny the Elder.
Figures from antiquity, these authors, and they've described it as being
greater in magnificence
than the pyramids.
They had these just mind-bending descriptions of what this site was, like
multiple levels,
3,000 rooms.
You would get lost in it.
It had giant courtyards with pillars, all made from, I mean, one guy, I think
it was
Strabo described the roof as being a single piece of stone, which I don't think
it was,
but it's describing those perfect joins that you see in the real megalithic
work from Egypt.
So it's this giant mystery.
We know it's there.
And it was kind of lost to time until we found it again, basically.
It was discovered.
It was always known about because there were clues about its location.
It was always theorized to have been at this place called Hawara, which is near
the Fayoum
in Egypt.
And, you know, Petrie went there and dug it up, the Flinders Petrie in the late
1800s,
early 1900s.
And he found massive stone slabs, and he thought he was standing on its
foundation, like it had
been quarried and taken away.
And rather than that, it turns out he was most likely standing on the roof of
like the top
layer.
It was like 10 meters below the ground.
That is so nuts.
He never got quite in.
But then in the Madahar expedition happened, I think in the mid like 2017 or
2015, there
was an expedition run by a guy named Louis de Cordia in partnership with the
Egyptian government.
They use ground penetrating radar, sonic techniques, like well-established subsurface
techniques.
And they found it.
They found these massive cyclopean walls that were meters thick.
It was a labyrinthian structure.
It's well verified.
It's below the water table level of what's on that site now.
So you have water table sort of five meters below the surface.
The labyrinth starts at nine, 10 meters.
And that was, there was some controversy around that report because it was
buried.
Like, so he found it.
They never published the report.
It was squashed by Zahi Hawass.
This is according to Louis de Cordia.
He threatened him and his team with national security sanctions if they talked
about it.
It just was put away.
He waited a few years.
He finally released the report.
It's like, holy shit, we found the labyrinth.
And then this then spurred some other companies to use some of these new space-based
scanning techniques.
There's been at least two that have been done very different techniques, but
they found the same thing.
They found that there is, in fact, a massive underground structure at this
place called Hawara.
It goes much deeper than what you could reach with those ground penetrating
radar and those established techniques, 60, 70 meters below the ground.
There's multiple levels, three or four levels.
And they correlate.
So one scan's a statistical model.
Another one is that uses high-frequency photography along with, I think, seismic
data, very similar to the Doppler tomography work that's being done by the
Italians at places like the Giza Plateau now.
And they both correlate.
Yes, there's a big structure.
But one of the most interesting facts that came out of this scan was it seems
like in this massive central atrium that's this one big, giant, open room, 40,
50 meters long,
that connects to all of these levels, there seems to be this unidentified
metallic object that's freestanding in this room.
It's about 40 meters long, and it seems to be tic-tac-shaped, is what this
report said.
It's a fucking UFO.
It's a UFO in Egypt.
The aliens did it.
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, could you imagine if they get in there and they really do find a
recovered spacecraft?
What do we do then?
Because if this is a public excavation, that's the question.
We would have to bring in the seals.
We need to lock that place down.
Maybe we need to occupy Egypt just to figure out how to fucking get this done.
Occupy Hawara.
Let's just, yeah.
Just Hawara.
You'd have to occupy the whole country.
You'd have to bribe them, something.
Give them money.
Whatever you've got to do.
If I was a president, that would be my number one priority.
Yeah, it has the potential.
I think there's been a little bit more of this from Egypt.
I guess the establishment there, they seem a little more willing to engage in
some of the mystery.
I genuinely do think that discoveries like these can only help and boost tours.
What they want is to bring people in.
It will bring way more.
Could you imagine if they actually figure out a way to drain all the water out
of the labyrinth?
They give you a tour and show you the spaceship.
How much are you paying to see this spaceship?
Bro, I'm paying a ton of money to go see that spaceship.
That's a special permission.
Like, that's the way we do.
They're very good at that.
Like, there's a lot of places you can now go in Egypt that are these special
permissions.
It's thousands of dollars.
But, you know, we go.
They would make so much money.
People would go.
They could charge like 10 grand.
They could charge like a lot of money just to go look at the spaceship.
Yeah.
It would be like Mecca.
Like Mecca for UFO dorks.
It would be insane.
It depends on what it is.
Who knows what it is.
Well, the guy did say, too, it didn't seem like any metal that he'd seen before.
Like, he couldn't identify what type of metal it was.
Because it's alien.
Right.
It's element 114.
For sure.
It's alien.
It's made out of the same stuff that comet's made out of.
The AI atlas.
Oh, yeah.
The 3i atlas.
Yeah, whatever it is.
The thing that's off-gassing some nickel alloy or something.
It's a giant nickel the size of Manhattan.
Yes.
It's jetting towards the sun.
Although, didn't NASA came in?
I think they released their images, I think, recently.
I can't remember.
There's some images.
They came out and said, oh, the comet's doing this and doing that.
It's doing a lot of weird stuff.
Sure is.
But it definitely seems to be a comet.
Yeah.
Unless you ask Avi Loeb.
And he's like, anything can be a spaceship.
He's got a point.
He's got a point.
He does.
We don't know what one would look like.
We've not seen.
Yeah.
I mean, it's a small sample size as it is for interstellar objects, right?
Yeah.
We have three to compare.
But two of them have been really fucking weird.
I think the point we're getting at is, and this is the point of all these
conversations,
is that there's some stuff that is yet to be discovered that has previously
been discovered
that might be like, it might blow the dam down on all this stuff to the point
where like,
okay, whatever you think happened here, a lot more happened.
And it seems way crazier.
If the stuff underneath the Giza Plateau was correct, and if the stuff, which
is like, what?
And if the labyrinth, if they can show you that this, not only was Herodotus
depicting
an actual place, but we can show it to you, and it's preserved, and it's been
under the
water for 50 years.
Yeah.
It would be amazing.
And yes, I think some of these things would knock down...
Everything.
It's a house of cards, right?
I think there are elements of that that are in, that are obvious, I mean, not
obvious,
but people can explore them, and it starts to knock down the house of cards.
It's how people end up with this, just looking at the contradictions in ancient
Egypt.
But there are other examples of what I would say, like these things like the
Matahar expedition
that have been discovered, but then sort of covered up and kept secret.
And a lot of them have to do with, you have the same tie-in with these ancient
stories
and accounts from history, not just from the Roman and Greek historians, but
also the Arab
historians, like Al-Masudi, for example, the Herodotus of the Arabs, they
called him.
You know, he talked about tales of these tunnels and chambers beneath the Sphinx,
that there
were rooms beneath the Sphinx that then led out to like three different tunnels.
You have a number of other Arab historians from as far back as like 600 AD that
have stories
of getting into the pyramids and then getting lost in tunnels and chambers
beneath them.
Jeez.
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of these, you hear these stories of like the Hall
of Records,
right?
The people like Edgar Cayce, the American psychic in the 1940s, who, you know,
he would, have
you heard of Edgar Cayce?
Yes.
Yeah, he's, so he would fall into these trance-like states and he'd have these
visions,
he's called like the, the sleeping prophet, they would call him, or he's like
one of the
Americans' psychic.
And he wasn't just about things about around Egypt.
He did, he did prophesize and, and talk about locations for three Halls of
Records, which
were these Atlantean, um, caches of information, like a pre-Diluvian
civilization.
He did call it Atlantis.
But he would also have these predictions about the stock market and, and a lot
of people made
a lot of money based on his predictions.
And that led to the...
He was really good at it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so apparently when, I mean, whether it was Larko, I don't
know.
I mean, I, I, I have...
Because that's always the question when it comes to like psychics.
If you were a real psychic, why wouldn't you make all the money in the world
from the stock
market?
It did happen.
There was a lot of people made a lot of money and he did evidently too as well.
And so that led to the formation of something called the Edgar Cayce Foundation
or the ARE,
the Association for Research and Enligh