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Joe Rogan Experience #2448 - Andrew Doyle

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Yes, Andrew.
Hello.
Good to see you, brother.
Good to see you, too.
It has been, you said, six years almost to the day.
Almost to the day.
The last time.
Lots changed.
Right before everything went crazy.
That's it.
Right before.
Yeah, the whole world sort of shifted after that.
Because everything went kooky around March, right?
Yeah, so it was February 2020.
And then we have COVID.
And then we have, you know, we've had Trump in between of that.
We have BLM.
That summer of 2020, everything just exploded.
Yeah.
Yeah, and then everything shifted.
And then you wrote a book.
I wrote a book.
It's called The End of Woke.
How the Culture War Went Too Far and What to Expect from the Counter-Revolution.
Isn't that how it always goes, though?
It goes like we go too far, and then we overcorrect, and we become Nazis.
That's it.
Exactly.
Or it's the opposite.
We go socialist.
You know, it's a big pendulum.
I get that.
It sort of goes back and forth.
I mean, I was trying to, in that book, I'm trying to make the point that what
woke was,
was like a kind of the latest manifestation of a kind of innate authoritarian
impulse.
I think human beings are, by default, quite inclined towards just shutting
people up if they don't like them.
Yeah.
It's just imposing their authority.
And so woke, well, I mean, a lot of people are annoyed that I've called it the
end of work.
I'm not saying it's all over.
Let's just go home.
Forget about it.
It's still going on.
But the point about it is that in its current manifestation, things are
changing now so rapidly.
We are moving into some sort of new phase.
And that authoritarianism, which we've associated with the left, might come up
from the right.
It could come up from anywhere.
It's what you say about the pendulum.
So you just have to be kind of vigilant about it.
I don't think we were vigilant.
I think that's why woke happened.
We weren't vigilant against this prospect that, you know, authoritarianism
could emerge in what we thought was a free society.
Well, authoritarianism, it snuck in through a sheep costume.
Yeah.
A wolf in a sheep's costume.
Yeah.
It was a costume of being more inclusive, being more open-minded, being a
better society, being kinder.
You know, it led to, you know, child trans surgeries, led to chaos.
It led to, like, a lot of, like, really fucking freaky things that you would
have never expected.
People saying that the First Amendment's not important.
What's more important is protecting people.
Well, that was the key, wasn't it?
The point was that the way it worked was that it was gulling people through
language that sounded really sweet and kittenish and fluffy.
You know, things like equity.
Well, that sounds a lot like equality, doesn't it?
Right.
But it doesn't mean equality.
It means treating people unequally to ensure equal outcomes according to group
identity.
That's a very different thing.
You say you're talking about, let's make everything inclusive.
But what you really mean is let's exclude anyone who disagrees with what we've
got to say.
So you're using language to mean the exact opposite.
They say gender affirming care.
Do they mean that?
Or do they mean affirming what is effectively a pseudoscientific belief among
vulnerable people?
So it's all about misusing language because most people, I think, or I like to
think, are pretty decent.
Yeah.
Like most people want to be kind and want to be fair.
And when you hear these activists saying, be kind, be compassionate or else.
Right.
You know, you kind of think, OK, well, maybe their intentions are good, but
also they're pretty scary.
I mean, there's a weird, there was a weird thing with the woke thing, which was
that on the one hand, it proclaimed to be this sort of great, virtuous, kind,
progressive right side of history.
How often did you hear that phrase?
And at the same time, they're like dangerous dogs.
Like, you're like, I better not piss them off.
I better not say the wrong thing in the workplace because they'll destroy you.
Well, I always find that the most preposterous the idea is and the least
capable it is to stand up to scrutiny, the more violent the enforcement of that
idea will be.
Because you cannot combat that, you can't defend that idea with logic, so you
have to defend it with fear and force and just shouting people down.
And that's what we saw.
And that's, it's a natural impulse of human beings.
Absolutely.
When you're arguing with a kid, you know, when you're a kid and you're arguing
with a kid and you say something, you don't even know, you shut the fuck up.
It just started scaring you.
So why is it, though, that some countries and some societies seem to protect
themselves better than others against that impulse?
And I feel at the moment that the UK is kind of failing where America is to a
degree succeed, not obviously in all ways, but when it comes to the idea of
freedom and free speech, like, I think UK is pretty far, has pretty fallen to
the kind of the woke insistence that you need to control people's language so
that you can create this perfect society, which can never come anyway.
Well, I think it's been co-opted.
I think whatever organic version of that emerges naturally from society where
people, where there's an overcorrection, I think in the UK, because you guys
don't have free speech laws, because it's just different over there.
Yeah.
You can get away with a lot of crazy shit.
Like, first of all, like, we should explain what we're talking about.
More than 12,000 people have been arrested in the UK in the past year for
social media posts.
And if you read some of those social media posts, they're not even remotely
terrifying.
It's not like I'm going to grab a knife and go cut the head off of every
immigrant I see.
Like, hey, buddy, maybe we should lock this guy up and evaluate him.
He sounds like a crazy person.
Like, no, the immigrants are coming into this fucking country and creating all
this crime.
Knock on the door.
You're going to jail.
I worry that Americans think we're mad sometimes.
We do.
Yeah, do you?
We do now.
Yeah, we think you've lost it.
Yeah.
We also think something happened where your leaders are intentionally trying to
tank your country.
It seems like they're trying to bring in as many migrants as possible, cater to
them, not to the British people, and do it openly so that everyone knows what
they're doing and then create chaos on the streets because of it.
Yeah, I mean, people have a phrase for that, anarcho-tyranny, you know, where
you punish people who aren't breaking the law, but you protect those who are.
Right.
I think with the, I mean, I don't know the extent that Americans know the, I
mean, the stat you quoted, that came from the Times newspaper in London, which
had a Freedom of Information request to the police, found out that it's 12,000
a year on average.
So that's like 30 a day, not just being investigated or looked into, but being
arrested.
But over the last few years only, if you go back, it's only like 1,000 or 500.
It was 3,000 last time we spoke, back in 2020.
Was it really a year?
It was.
Back then?
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
So we already had that problem.
I mean, we already didn't know it was that many.
That's crazy.
Even back then?
It was already really high.
I mean, we had stuff like the old stories of like, there was that guy in 2010
who made a joke online about, he was at Doncaster Airport in the UK.
He said, oh, if this queue doesn't hurry up, I'm going to blow up the airport.
Just a stupid, funny tweet.
He went all the way to court.
That was a full trial.
So these laws, and I think what happens with this stuff is people don't realize
how long this has been embedded in the UK.
We have hate speech laws that are encoded in a number of different legislations.
We have a thing called the Public Order Act.
We have a thing called Malicious Communications Act.
That's from 1988.
We have Communications Act from 2003.
And all of these things criminalize, I tell you, I kid you not, the language in
the statute books is, if it's grossly offensive, that's the phrase.
If you post something that is grossly offensive, you can go to court, you can
be prosecuted.
But, you know, I find...
So subjective.
Well, that's it.
What does that even mean?
I find laws against free speech to be grossly offensive.
So should the British state be arrested?
I don't know.
And there's one, I think it's in the Malicious Communications Act, where it
talks about needless anxiety.
Causing needless anxiety can get you arrested.
And you think that's not a thing.
I can give you a specific example of that.
Do you smoke cigars?
I have once, my friend Winston Marshall...
You want one?
I worry that if I try it, I'll cough and I'll look really wimpish and pathetic.
And it won't be good for your arguments?
It will backfire.
I tell you, it'll undermine everything.
It'll be like I'm sitting here with a paper hat on at Christmas, undermining
all of my key points.
Right.
See, I like the flavor and I like being around smokers, because my grandmother
used to chain smoke around me.
So it's kind of...
Oh, boy.
Well, she's Northern Irish, you know.
It's the way they do.
She used to give me whiskey when I was three to calm me down, you know.
Oh, wow.
It's that sort of family.
That's an old thing they used to do with kids.
They just put it in their...
Babies, they put it in their mouth.
It worked.
Like they would dip their finger in whiskey and rub it on the inside of a kid's
mouth.
If you're struggling with a child, get it drunk.
That's how you...
It's old Northern Irish wisdom.
I don't think you should scoff at it.
It's a good thing.
But I'll be more than have to...
It's grossly offensive.
It's grossly offensive.
The example I was going to give was this guy called Darren Brady.
And this sounds made up.
And whenever I tell people this, it sounds made up.
He posted a meme.
I don't know if you saw this meme where it was the four progress pride flags.
You know that it's got the crazy triangles and stuff in it.
Uh-huh.
You put them all together and they become a swastika.
Exactly that.
Right?
And that was going everywhere.
And he posted it.
And there's a video of him being arrested, put in handcuffs.
He's an army veteran, by the way.
Right?
Put in handcuffs by the police.
And the policeman says in the video, you caused someone anxiety.
So the actual language from the law is being used for this rearrangement of the...
And you know what?
That's quite a good satirical point that he was making.
It wasn't even his meme.
He was just retweeting a meme.
But even if it was some horrible, offensive thing, who cares?
How is that offensive?
Well, I guess...
I mean, well, you can find...
That's the problem.
You can find anything offensive.
You could find anything grossly offensive if you're extremely sensitive.
You could.
But wasn't there a point to that?
I mean, he was kind of saying that the LGBTQIA plus movement has become quite
authoritarian.
Yeah.
He's not saying they're actual Nazis.
And he's saying, oh, isn't it quite funny that when you put them together, it
looks like a swastika.
The idea that you get handcuffed for that to me is crazy.
Especially for a retweet.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
It's retweets.
It's tweets.
It's posts.
We've had memes are the big ones.
So there was a guy called Lee Joseph Dunn who went to prison for eight weeks.
That was last year, I think, for three memes that he posted.
Eight weeks?
Eight weeks in prison.
Again, I'll tell you what the most offensive of the three memes was.
And you can tell me whether you think it was worth prison time.
He put a picture of some immigrants with knives.
And underneath it said, coming to a town near you.
And that was it.
So I don't know if you think that's worth prison time.
That's the most offensive one?
Of the three, that's the most.
What's the least offensive one?
I can't remember what the other two w