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Our first guest has not one, but two new television shows.
Martha, now in daytime, and The Apprentice, Martha Stewart,
which premieres September 21st on NBC.
Here's the one, the only Martha Stewart, ladies and gentlemen.
She looked wonderful.
You looked tremendous, Martha.
Thank you.
Thank you very much for being on the program.
And first, you know, during all of this...
I've missed you.
Well, I've missed you as well.
I missed you.
They told me it was like almost three years.
Yeah, it's crazy, isn't it?
Yeah, it seems like yesterday.
It really does.
And in that time, I don't know...
You didn't visit me.
I made...
Every now and then, I would make jokes about...
I heard.
Yeah.
We had a TV.
And who?
And I felt horrible about it because I just felt like,
well, I know this woman for a long time.
We're very good friends.
And here we are making jokes about a terribly unfortunate situation.
So, it's nice that you came back.
Well, I know it was all in good fun.
And it is your job.
And I always stick up for your job.
Well, thank you.
I do.
I appreciate that.
Now, let's...
Let's go back in.
First of all, there's two parts to this.
What exactly happened?
Tell people what exactly happened.
And then...
When, when?
That, that, that the, the, why you went to jail?
What, what were you convicted of?
What?
I don't know.
I don't, I don't know.
I don't have...
One good thing about me, Dave,
is that I don't have a long memory for bad things.
So, I'm trying very hard to put it out of my mind...
Good for you.
...and get on with the future.
But in, in, in, in legal terms, they said...
And I, I, I'm not trying to be silly about this.
I'm also horrible about legal terms.
I'm not a lawyer.
And, um, I was married to that lawyer, remember?
Oh, God.
I, I tried to keep all legal terms sort of out of my vocabulary.
And, um, maybe I shouldn't have, because, but, uh, it was...
Well, I understand that the case is still under appeal.
Is that right?
Yes, yes.
It has not been, um, yet ruled on by the appellate division.
Uh-huh.
And we're waiting for that.
That's why I'm not going to say anything.
And, and if the, if the, if the conviction, if the conviction is overturned,
what, what, how
do they restore the, the time that you've spent away?
Um, well, they don't, actually.
Mm-hmm.
But, um, I will be happy.
Yes.
Anyway.
In any event, I would be very happy.
And do you have a feeling that it is likely to be overturned?
No, I have no feeling whatsoever.
I'm trying not to get my hopes up or down in any, any way.
But you, you chose at one point rather to, rather than wait for the appeal
process to go
ahead and, and take the, the, the sentence?
Well, I, I can just, I can talk just a little bit about that.
Um, when, uh, when is convicted and sentenced, uh, you can appeal.
And I was, I was, I was allowed to appeal and I could, um, not go to Yale, as
we called it.
Mm-hmm.
We always called it Yale.
I always wanted to go to Yale.
Um, and, uh, so, um, but if I had not gone to Yale, um, I would have, uh, no TV
show this
fall, not, not two TV shows, I wouldn't have even one TV show this fall, um, I
would not
have, uh, probably not have a business.
Mm-hmm.
Because, um, everyone waits for things to be over.
A reconciliation of any kind is better than never knowing.
Exactly.
So, um, going to Alderson was the best thing I could have done.
I'm glad I did.
Yeah.
And, um, and whatever happens now, um, well, I, I can, I can think optimistically.
I can't, you know, I don't want to say optimistically, but I can think optimistically.
Now, at a certain point in the, in the, uh, uh, before the trial, I, I heard or
read that
there was a possibility that there could have been a plea bargain.
Is that true or not?
No, no, no.
Is that a plea bargain brought to you?
No.
No.
I don't plea bargain.
Mm-hmm.
So, uh.
I mean, I would've if I felt I had to.
Right.
And, and, uh, the, the, the actual conviction was not insider trading, was it?
No, it was not.
It, it, it, it was.
It was about, I think, obstruction of justice.
Obstruction of justice.
Now, in, in your heart, it was a, a mistake, a mix up, or do you, do you feel
like, well,
tell me what you do feel.
Um, well, since I am on appeal and I don't, I don't want to really, I just,
don't want to talk.
I feel a little uncomfortable talking about that right now.
Okay.
I'll, I'll come back after the appeal.
All right.
Uh, so now.
I'll clear, I'll clear it up.
Okay.
But we can, we can talk about the, the five months you were in prison, right?
Oh, sure.
Okay.
We'll do that when we come.
We'll be right back.
Everybody, everybody in life has those precipice moments where, where one
second, everything
as you know it is as you know it.
And the next, even less than a second, everything as you know it might be
entirely different.
Right.
So you went through a couple of those.
The first was, uh, the, the return of the verdict.
What, what are you thinking when you're waiting to hear the return of the
verdict?
Do you, do you have a feeling of which way it's going to go or you, you don't
know?
No, we were pretty optimistic actually.
And when I, I heard the verdict, I actually thought I was in a bad dream.
And then I heard a thunk behind me and my daughter had fainted.
Oh.
And, um, and then it kind of, I kind of woke up and realized that, uh, not only,
you know,
not only was I hurt, but a lot of other people would be hurt by this verdict.
Right.
So, uh, so I was, uh, shocked back into reality.
Right.
And, and to what extent I, I have a very low threshold of embarrassment.
You would probably not know that from watching the show, but I, I would guess
that part of
this, just as a human being, the, the embarrassment of all of this negative
attention and, and, and,
uh, sort of a feeding frenzy that goes on, it was hugely embarrassing, isn't it?
Well, I was less embarrassed than horrified and, uh, heart.
And that's a very different feeling and, uh, and horrified not only for me, but
for everybody
around me.
I, I mean, all my beautiful employees, you know, the whole thing, it was pretty
horrifying.
Right.
And yet, um, I'm pretty strong.
I found out how strong I was during this whole ordeal and, um, mentally strong,
um, and
also physically strong.
So I, um, did not allow myself to get depressed.
I did not allow myself to get down too much.
Uh, I faced what I had to face.
Uh, I lived through it with, uh, actually sort of flying colors, if you can
live through
Yale with flying colors.
And, um, um, I probably would have been Phi Beta Kappa at Yale if, uh, if I, if
I treated
it the way I treated it.
You did not.
Uh, well, anyway, it was, uh, you know, it's horrifying.
But you, you, you mentioned something there in a list of other things.
You said you did not allow yourself to be depressed and you just kept going.
Uh, that's the hardest thing in the world to do, uh, on any given day, let
alone the circumstances
you were facing.
Well, I know, you know, I was.
But how, how can you not let yourself get depressed?
What do you do?
I mean, it's, it's a chemical reaction that kicks in and then you go.
Well, I know, but I have good, I have other good chemicals too, I guess.
But I wouldn't take pills and I wouldn't take any AIDS.
I didn't, I didn't, um, drink, you know, and I don't, I didn't do any of that
stuff.
I just sort of, you know, waited and got done, did the thing and got it over
with.
So, so now they, they announced the verdict and then later there's the sentencing
and that's
another one of those moments.
And you're thinking what may be just kind of house arrest at the worst or
probation or.
No, no, I didn't think, I didn't, I, I, I was pretty prepared for, um, for what,
what I got.
Yeah.
All right.
And take us through that when you, uh, it's one of those deals like it's the
middle of the
night to check you in and.
Are you in trouble?
Do you want, why do you want to know all this stuff?
Because, I mean, you really have been in the fire.
You've been tested.
Yeah.
And I think everybody wants to know, gosh, how would I hold up under those
things?
Am I more, am I more attractive?
Yes, you are.
Believe me.
But, okay.
That's what's so crazy.
You shouldn't be, you know, nobody should even, you know, want to talk to me
about it.
Really?
No, I find it.
But everybody's curious, very curious.
Yeah.
And, um, and actually a, uh, a women's, um, institution like Alderson is not a
terribly
frightening place.
Mm-hmm.
It's frightening when, one day I was walking up the hill and I, I told some
friends this,
and I realized that, gosh, these 1100 women, um, all they, it's all about them.
I mean, they have to walk up that hill every single day.
Um, they have to contact their families because the, families can't contact
them other than
by letter.
Mm-hmm.
They have to keep in touch.
They have to do all the work.
Mm-hmm.
And I was so fortunate because every single visiting day I had a guest, except
the day you
didn't show.
Yeah.
Um, but, but again, that, that moment when you go in and you realize, although
it's,
it's a relatively short period of time, still in all it's five years, uh, out
of a very
productive fruit.
Five months.
Five, five months.
To me, to me it would be five years.
It's, it's five months out of a very, uh, productive, fruitful life.
I mean, uh, was there panic?
Was, uh, did you?
No, you know, I asked, I asked my fellow inmates, um, a couple months later, I
said,
how did I behave that first day?
Right.
Because everybody's watching me.
Yeah.
I was walking around in a daze.
I did.
I smiled at everybody, said hi to everybody.
Yeah.
Probably people I shouldn't have said hello to.
But I said hi to everybody and, uh, shook everybody's hand and, uh, but I was
in a daze.
I don't remember that first day at all.
Are, are you, were your fellow inmates, uh, in for, was there any terrible,
terrible crimes?
No, no, this is a totally non-violent, non-violent, um, crimes.
Yeah.
Did you make friends there?
Oh, many, many.
Yeah.
And they're very nice.
Yeah.
And what, what kind of things did you do there?
I mean, you had jobs, you had tasks.
I had jobs for about 12 cents an hour.
And I, I remember telling the captain who was a very nice man, uh, but I
remember telling
him, I asked him for a pair of work boots cause I, one of my jobs was working
inside and
outside of the captain's office.
And, uh, I asked him for a pair of work boots cause all I had was my sneakers
that I, what
came in with.
They let me keep them for some reason.
And, um, cause they were on a budget cut because of the war and so they didn't
have
shoes for me.
Um, and I asked him for a pair of work boots and he said, Oh, they didn't have
any, I'd
have to buy some.
So I figured out it was 500 hours of work.
So I, or 600 hours of work at the 12 cents an hour and what they were charging
for the
boots that, um, so I called them my, my 600 hour boots.
Wow.
Yeah.
Um, and in moments of lightheartedness in, in this condition, in this
circumstance.
Oh yeah.
You're, you're always trying to laugh.
Everybody's trying to be lighthearted and get, get on with the day days.
And, um, you know, I was a short term or so, um, that wasn't so bad, but the
people who
were in there for a long time, they also tried to keep up a demeanor of, of, of
lightheartedness.
They had to.
Anybody resent you because of your status and accomplishment?
Oh, maybe I, I, I heard some remarks behind my back, but, um, but pretty much
friendliness.
But didn't no, no fights, no hair pulling, no smacking around?
Um, well, one day I fell against a wall and I, and I got, I slipped on some wet
floor and
I got a really bad black and blue mark on my arm and people noticed that black
and blue
I got called right down and, uh, wanted to know who I had been in a fight with.
Oh man.
Oh man.
And I wasn't, I wasn't in a fight and I, I said, oh, I'm so sorry.
Maybe I should have told you about this.
I didn't know how black it would get, you know?
And, uh, it was, you know, that kind of stuff.
Yeah.
No, I didn't get any, in any fights, hardly any altercations.
And, and, uh, what, what have we learned here?
I mean, this experience has to teach you many things, I would think.
Well, it teaches you that, um, that the penal system, I mean, if you want to be
serious
about it, um, the rehabilitation, uh, really is non-existent for the most part.
In terms of rehabilitation.
Yeah.
That does not exist.
I worry about that.
Um, and in terms of personal, I found out that I could really exist with pretty
much nothing.
Mm-hmm.
Um, five months without good food is a problem for, for almost anybody, but you
can live for
five months without food.
Yeah.
Um, or drink or, or, uh, you know, any luxuries whatsoever.
I heard you say that the souffles were just horrible.
Uh, yeah, I don't even, I don't remember any souffles, uh, at all.
Prison souffles.
Prison souffles.
And then late at night, is it true you used to sneak into the kitchen and drink
sterno?
Or did I?
Uh, I don't think, there was no sterno available.
And, and now, uh, you're, you're out of prison and, and, uh, you're, you're
doing television
shows.
And how is the television show going?
Tell, tell us about the, the Martha show.
What is?
Oh, well, I'm having so much fun with the Martha show.
And, uh, tomorrow's a really great day.
It's the Martha Stewart day.
We found out that there were 2,000 Martha Stewart's in America.
People with the same name.
And 180 of them or so have showed up in New York.
And they're all going to be on the show tomorrow.
And I just wanted to kind of apologize for having the same name for the last
couple years.
Because, uh, some of the, one lady, uh, you'll see on the show, but one lady
said that she
had run for an election three years ago and won with a, in a landslide for a,
for an assessor
in her town.
And then she had to run again two years later and she lost in a landslide.
And, and I felt so sorry for her.
Wow.
But it had nothing to do with her talents as an assessor, of course, but, um,
but it's
going to be a fun show.
I love the live audience.
I see now why you have a live audience, even though I can't see the live
audience in this
dark studio.
And in my studio, you can see the audience.
The audience is right on our stage.
You know, it's right close off and, uh, and everybody's, I, and they're
participatory.
So I, I get them to bring stuff.
We had, we had a wonderful, uh, day when they brought their favorite house
plant.
Wouldn't that be fun?
Let me, I just want to, I just want to revisit one thing because I want to make
sure I'm not
missing something here.
Uh, your composure and presentation here this evening, and this by the way is
mostly the
context I know you in.
Yeah.
It, it seems to be happy, unflappable, cheerful, positive.
And you, you said that the, the worst part of all of this was you were horrified
and concerned
about not so much yourself, but your family and everybody else and, and
continuing the,
the business and so on and so forth.
Uh, honestly, is that the worst it got for you through all of this?
Yeah, because you know, you worry about the people you're taking care of that,
that rely
on you.
I have a big company, Dave.
And you know, I, I didn't want, I didn't want that company to go away because
of, because
of this.
I understand, I understand all practical concerns, but what about concerns for
your wellbeing?
You're, you know, physically and mentally.
This, this is, you know, this, this is not like a day in traffic court.
I'm really, I'm really strong, Dave.
And I can, and I can take care of myself.
But you, you know, we had Russell Crowe on here and, and he.
I love Russell Crowe.
Yeah, but he, I mean, he, he behaved like a, like a frightened bunny compared
to you.
He did?
Yeah.
I didn't see that.
Yeah, he, he, he had, he had thrown a cell phone at somebody.
I know, I heard that.
And he just, he, he, you could tell that he was disturbed and concerned by the
whole thing.
Well, it can ruin his life, actually.
Well, that's what I'm talking about with you.
This, this whole.
But this can't ruin my life.
Because I've, I just don't think, I don't feel guilty.
And I don't feel, um, and I feel I had an unfair trial.
And I, you know, all that stuff.
So there must be then a great sense of.
So I can feel good.
Feel good.
But what about a sense of outrage?
Do you, do you feel outrage about this?
Um, that doesn't do you any good in the system.
It just doesn't.
So you have to go through the legal process.
You have to do the thing.
You have to be mature.
You have to, uh, trust your advisors.
You have to do all that stuff.
Yeah.
And, uh, and go to get on with it.
Do you think jail would be right for me?
It'd probably do you some good.
Uh, Martha.
On now, every day.
And, uh, Martha, The Apprentice, Martha Stewart premieres September 21st.
Are you gonna watch?
Oh, I'll be there.
Oh, please.
Uh, well, it's a great pleasure to see you again.
I hope you come back.
Yeah.
You look tremendous.
Thank you.
Congratulations on being so good about this.
Nice job.
We'll see you next time.

Martha Stewart Talks About Her Time In Jail | Letterman

Our first guest has not one, but two new television shows.
Martha, now in daytime, and The Apprentice, Martha Stewart,
which premieres September 21st on NBC.
Here's the one, the only Martha Stewart, ladies and gentlemen.
She looked wonderful.
You looked tremendous, Martha.
Thank you.
Thank you very much for being on the program.
And first, you know, during all of this...
I've missed you.
Well, I've missed you as well.
I missed you.
They told me it was like almost three years.
Yeah, it's crazy, isn't it?
Yeah, it seems like yesterday.
It really does.
And in that time, I don't know...
You didn't visit me.
I made...
Every now and then, I would make jokes about...
I heard.
Yeah.
We had a TV.
And who?
And I felt horrible about it because I just felt like,
well, I know this woman for a long time.
We're very good friends.
And here we are making jokes about a terribly unfortunate situation.
So, it's nice that you came back.
Well, I know it was all in good fun.
And it is your job.
And I always stick up for your job.
Well, thank you.
I do.
I appreciate that.
Now, let's...
Let's go back in.
First of all, there's two parts to this.
What exactly happened?
Tell people what exactly happened.
And then...
When, when?
That, that, that the, the, why you went to jail?
What, what were you convicted of?
What?
I don't know.
I don't, I don't know.
I don't have...
One good thing about me, Dave,
is that I don't have a long memory for bad things.
So, I'm trying very hard to put it out of my mind...
Good for you.
...and get on with the future.
But in, in, in, in legal terms, they said...
And I, I, I'm not trying to be silly about this.
I'm also horrible about legal terms.
I'm not a lawyer.
And, um, I was married to that lawyer, remember?
Oh, God.
I, I tried to keep all legal terms sort of out of my vocabulary.
And, um, maybe I shouldn't have, because, but, uh, it was...
Well, I understand that the case is still under appeal.
Is that right?
Yes, yes.
It has not been, um, yet ruled on by the appellate division.
Uh-huh.
And we're waiting for that.
That's why I'm not going to say anything.
And, and if the, if the, if the conviction, if the conviction is overturned,
what, what, how
do they restore the, the time that you've spent away?
Um, well, they don't, actually.
Mm-hmm.
But, um, I will be happy.
Yes.
Anyway.
In any event, I would be very happy.
And do you have a feeling that it is likely to be overturned?
No, I have no feeling whatsoever.
I'm trying not to get my hopes up or down in any, any way.
But you, you chose at one point rather to, rather than wait for the appeal
process to go
ahead and, and take the, the, the sentence?
Well, I, I can just, I can talk just a little bit about that.
Um, when, uh, when is convicted and sentenced, uh, you can appeal.
And I was, I was, I was allowed to appeal and I could, um, not go to Yale, as
we called it.
Mm-hmm.
We always called it Yale.
I always wanted to go to Yale.
Um, and, uh, so, um, but if I had not gone to Yale, um, I would have, uh, no TV
show this
fall, not, not two TV shows, I wouldn't have even one TV show this fall, um, I
would not
have, uh, probably not have a business.
Mm-hmm.
Because, um, everyone waits for things to be over.
A reconciliation of any kind is better than never knowing.
Exactly.
So, um, going to Alderson was the best thing I could have done.
I'm glad I did.
Yeah.
And, um, and whatever happens now, um, well, I, I can, I can think optimistically.
I can't, you know, I don't want to say optimistically, but I can think optimistically.
Now, at a certain point in the, in the, uh, uh, before the trial, I, I heard or
read that
there was a possibility that there could have been a plea bargain.
Is that true or not?
No, no, no.
Is that a plea bargain brought to you?
No.
No.
I don't plea bargain.
Mm-hmm.
So, uh.
I mean, I would've if I felt I had to.
Right.
And, and, uh, the, the, the actual conviction was not insider trading, was it?
No, it was not.
It, it, it, it was.
It was about, I think, obstruction of justice.
Obstruction of justice.
Now, in, in your heart, it was a, a mistake, a mix up, or do you, do you feel
like, well,
tell me what you do feel.
Um, well, since I am on appeal and I don't, I don't want to really, I just,
don't want to talk.
I feel a little uncomfortable talking about that right now.
Okay.
I'll, I'll come back after the appeal.
All right.
Uh, so now.
I'll clear, I'll clear it up.
Okay.
But we can, we can talk about the, the five months you were in prison, right?
Oh, sure.
Okay.
We'll do that when we come.
We'll be right back.
Everybody, everybody in life has those precipice moments where, where one
second, everything
as you know it is as you know it.
And the next, even less than a second, everything as you know it might be
entirely different.
Right.
So you went through a couple of those.
The first was, uh, the, the return of the verdict.
What, what are you thinking when you're waiting to hear the return of the
verdict?
Do you, do you have a feeling of which way it's going to go or you, you don't
know?
No, we were pretty optimistic actually.
And when I, I heard the verdict, I actually thought I was in a bad dream.
And then I heard a thunk behind me and my daughter had fainted.
Oh.
And, um, and then it kind of, I kind of woke up and realized that, uh, not only,
you know,
not only was I hurt, but a lot of other people would be hurt by this verdict.
Right.
So, uh, so I was, uh, shocked back into reality.
Right.
And, and to what extent I, I have a very low threshold of embarrassment.
You would probably not know that from watching the show, but I, I would guess
that part of
this, just as a human being, the, the embarrassment of all of this negative
attention and, and, and,
uh, sort of a feeding frenzy that goes on, it was hugely embarrassing, isn't it?
Well, I was less embarrassed than horrified and, uh, heart.
And that's a very different feeling and, uh, and horrified not only for me, but
for everybody
around me.
I, I mean, all my beautiful employees, you know, the whole thing, it was pretty
horrifying.
Right.
And yet, um, I'm pretty strong.
I found out how strong I was during this whole ordeal and, um, mentally strong,
um, and
also physically strong.
So I, um, did not allow myself to get depressed.
I did not allow myself to get down too much.
Uh, I faced what I had to face.
Uh, I lived through it with, uh, actually sort of flying colors, if you can
live through
Yale with flying colors.
And, um, um, I probably would have been Phi Beta Kappa at Yale if, uh, if I, if
I treated
it the way I treated it.
You did not.
Uh, well, anyway, it was, uh, you know, it's horrifying.
But you, you, you mentioned something there in a list of other things.
You said you did not allow yourself to be depressed and you just kept going.
Uh, that's the hardest thing in the world to do, uh, on any given day, let
alone the circumstances
you were facing.
Well, I know, you know, I was.
But how, how can you not let yourself get depressed?
What do you do?
I mean, it's, it's a chemical reaction that kicks in and then you go.
Well, I know, but I have good, I have other good chemicals too, I guess.
But I wouldn't take pills and I wouldn't take any AIDS.
I didn't, I didn't, um, drink, you know, and I don't, I didn't do any of that
stuff.
I just sort of, you know, waited and got done, did the thing and got it over
with.
So, so now they, they announced the verdict and then later there's the sentencing
and that's
another one of those moments.
And you're thinking what may be just kind of house arrest at the worst or
probation or.
No, no, I didn't think, I didn't, I, I, I was pretty prepared for, um, for what,
what I got.
Yeah.
All right.
And take us through that when you, uh, it's one of those deals like it's the
middle of the
night to check you in and.
Are you in trouble?
Do you want, why do you want to know all this stuff?
Because, I mean, you really have been in the fire.
You've been tested.
Yeah.
And I think everybody wants to know, gosh, how would I hold up under those
things?
Am I more, am I more attractive?
Yes, you are.
Believe me.
But, okay.
That's what's so crazy.
You shouldn't be, you know, nobody should even, you know, want to talk to me
about it.
Really?
No, I find it.
But everybody's curious, very curious.
Yeah.
And, um, and actually a, uh, a women's, um, institution like Alderson is not a
terribly
frightening place.
Mm-hmm.
It's frightening when, one day I was walking up the hill and I, I told some
friends this,
and I realized that, gosh, these 1100 women, um, all they, it's all about them.
I mean, they have to walk up that hill every single day.
Um, they have to contact their families because the, families can't contact
them other than
by letter.
Mm-hmm.
They have to keep in touch.
They have to do all the work.
Mm-hmm.
And I was so fortunate because every single visiting day I had a guest, except
the day you
didn't show.
Yeah.
Um, but, but again, that, that moment when you go in and you realize, although
it's,
it's a relatively short period of time, still in all it's five years, uh, out
of a very
productive fruit.
Five months.
Five, five months.
To me, to me it would be five years.
It's, it's five months out of a very, uh, productive, fruitful life.
I mean, uh, was there panic?
Was, uh, did you?
No, you know, I asked, I asked my fellow inmates, um, a couple months later, I
said,
how did I behave that first day?
Right.
Because everybody's watching me.
Yeah.
I was walking around in a daze.
I did.
I smiled at everybody, said hi to everybody.
Yeah.
Probably people I shouldn't have said hello to.
But I said hi to everybody and, uh, shook everybody's hand and, uh, but I was
in a daze.
I don't remember that first day at all.
Are, are you, were your fellow inmates, uh, in for, was there any terrible,
terrible crimes?
No, no, this is a totally non-violent, non-violent, um, crimes.
Yeah.
Did you make friends there?
Oh, many, many.
Yeah.
And they're very nice.
Yeah.
And what, what kind of things did you do there?
I mean, you had jobs, you had tasks.
I had jobs for about 12 cents an hour.
And I, I remember telling the captain who was a very nice man, uh, but I
remember telling
him, I asked him for a pair of work boots cause I, one of my jobs was working
inside and
outside of the captain's office.
And, uh, I asked him for a pair of work boots cause all I had was my sneakers
that I, what
came in with.
They let me keep them for some reason.
And, um, cause they were on a budget cut because of the war and so they didn't
have
shoes for me.
Um, and I asked him for a pair of work boots and he said, Oh, they didn't have
any, I'd
have to buy some.
So I figured out it was 500 hours of work.
So I, or 600 hours of work at the 12 cents an hour and what they were charging
for the
boots that, um, so I called them my, my 600 hour boots.
Wow.
Yeah.
Um, and in moments of lightheartedness in, in this condition, in this
circumstance.
Oh yeah.
You're, you're always trying to laugh.
Everybody's trying to be lighthearted and get, get on with the day days.
And, um, you know, I was a short term or so, um, that wasn't so bad, but the
people who
were in there for a long time, they also tried to keep up a demeanor of, of, of
lightheartedness.
They had to.
Anybody resent you because of your status and accomplishment?
Oh, maybe I, I, I heard some remarks behind my back, but, um, but pretty much
friendliness.
But didn't no, no fights, no hair pulling, no smacking around?
Um, well, one day I fell against a wall and I, and I got, I slipped on some wet
floor and
I got a really bad black and blue mark on my arm and people noticed that black
and blue
I got called right down and, uh, wanted to know who I had been in a fight with.
Oh man.
Oh man.
And I wasn't, I wasn't in a fight and I, I said, oh, I'm so sorry.
Maybe I should have told you about this.
I didn't know how black it would get, you know?
And, uh, it was, you know, that kind of stuff.
Yeah.
No, I didn't get any, in any fights, hardly any